Tank Setup Question

Gibsonnnn

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Hey guys, I am new to the reef aquarium hobby and have a quick question. I recently purchased live sand, live rock, and the necessary salt to mix with the water. When I was talking to an owner of a local pet store he told me to add the live rock first, then the water and salt, and finally the sand since it is live sand. Now the question I have is once I have the live rock and proper mixture of salt in the water do I add the sand and turn on the filter or just let the sand settle in the water by itself? I have an external filter if that helps at all. Thank you for your help!
 
Well, you can do it several ways. You can use a larger diameter pvc pipe to pour the sand down, that gives you pretty nice control about where it goes and cuts down some on the dust storm. If I were going to just dump it in I'd let it settle for a few hours, then turn on the filter. If you're doing this all in the same day, I don't see that it matters if you add the sand before or after the water. Also, if you have live sand and live rock I'd make sure they both go in already mixed saltwater. Not sure why it's okay for rock to be in fresh water but not sand. Anyway, you'll get a dust storm no matter what, just be patient and it'll clear. Welcome to the hobby!
 
Actually, it's not okay for live rock to be in fresh water as it would kill most of the beneficial bacteria that makes the rock "live". Therefore, either first mix the water with salt in the tank, checking the desired salinity with a refractometer, or mix it in buckets, then add to tank.

Also, if you already have your live rock it should be submerged in saltwater with a heater set to around 78 deg and some powerheads for water movement. Stagnant water doesn't do any good to live rock.
 
Thank you for the posts, and I was actually told to rinse the live rock off with hose water because it is extremely dusty. After reading what you guys are saying I am not sure why he would say that?
 
The issue is I don't really have anything to mix the salt and water in besides the tank itself, which is 60 gallons.
 
You can always mix in the empty tank, then add rock, then add sand. Are you sure you have live rock? How would wet rock that was in some sort of a tank be dusty?
 
I was told it was live rock, I can try and post a picture
 

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No the rock is not wet, it is actually quite dusty. I just picked it up from the pet store several hours ago along with the live sand which came in a bag and contains some water.
 
Okay, that's not live rock, it's dry rock. Live rock came out of the ocean or a tank and is colonized by all sorts of bacteria and other organisms and needs to be damp or wet to keep everything alive. So rinsing is a great idea for this rock and now it doesn't matter when you add it.
 
One positive outcome is you won't have any unwanted hitchhikers :) One not-so-positive thing is your cycle might take longer. No biggie.
 
Just another side question, since this is dry rock am I able to swap the rock with live rock at any time or can it only be done in the initial set up of the aquarium? I made sure the light I purchased can support live rock and corals.
 
This rock will become live after your cycle is done, once it's supporting the necessary bacteria. You can swap or add rock whenever. Just watch out if you remove a bunch at once though, it can cause a mini cycle.
 
From what I could see in your picture, it's not even reef rock. Does it look like marine rock to you? In the picture it looks just like ordinary stones to me.
 
It sort of looks like dry rock.

Try googling pictures of dry rock to see what it should look like. "dry rock" is essentially live rock that has been dried out, and some of the better establishments would boil it/sanitize it.

The rock should be pretty light for it's size, due to the fact that it should be very porous, with holes and caves all over it.

Essentially, "live rock" is just "Dead corals" that have calcified and turned into rocks, and live rock needs to be wet. It's called live rock because it's covered in hitchhikers, and "live" organisms, essentially the most important of all, is the beneficial bacteria that it's covered with which is important for the nitrogen cycle to take place. This bacteria pretty much acts like the filter for your tank, which will turn ammonia into nitrate.

What makes you think that the sand is "live"?

If it were live rock, I would advise that you should fill up the tank half full of water first, then add the rock, to see how much water is displaced from adding rock (there's a possibility of the water overflowing if you add too much water first due to the weight of the rocks).

Either way, in your case, you can add either the rock or the water first. Since it is dry rock, it should be fine, and even better if you did rinse it off first, to get rid of as much dust as you can. The less dust in your aquarium, the better. Similarly, since the rock is "dead" or "dry", you can mix the water in the aquarium directly.

Always add the sand last. This is due to the fact that if you add rock after the sand, it might not be as stable on the bottom (if some bottom rocks are nestled on top of sand, and that sand were to move, it can move the bottom rock, causing them to fall/crash). It's more stable to add the rocks first, make sure everything is stable, and then add the sand on top, so that the rock is always resting on the glass bottom of the tank.

To answer your question, do you have any pumps? like powerheads or anything to circulate the water? or just the filter? I would suggest turning on only the powerheads to get the circulation going for a few hours, even a day, and let the sand/dust settle as much as possible before you turn on your filter.

Do a bit of research on aquascaping, and see how you want to set-up your rocks. Some people actually do their aquascaping outside of the tank using glue/putty/zip-ties/etc, to make sure everything is as stable as possible before putting them in their tank. Take your time with it, and have fun.

Good luck.
 
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