Tank transfer method variation?

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Naraku

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Since some fish cannot handle being transferred (Moorish idols and certain angelfish) around every 3 days.

Can I put them in copper for lets say 9 days and then transfer them to a clean tank?

Since, trophonts stay on the fish for a max of 7 days and a minimum of 3 days.
During those 9 days any free swimming stage is killed by copper. Once they get transferred over, they are clean.
 
Why can you not move certain fish?.. I've done it on plenty of "sensitive" fish. TTM should be nearly stress free and the transfer is forgotten about immediately it seems if done properly. I use a dedicated colander instead of nets to transfer fish, limiting stress and water cross contamination. Copper is harmful to your fish..
 
BigBlueTang said:
With a clear beaker wouldn't some water get cross contaminated?
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Water doesn't matter. It's the (attached) cysts you want to eliminate. That is the reason why you have to put the fish through 4 tanks - to make sure that all fish are clean and all cysts left behind.
In theory 3 tanks would do - the 4th is to be on the safe side.
 
i think what he is addressing is that everyone makes it out like TTM is so simple and straight forward (which it is) but what you don't hear about is all the fish that are lost during TTM. My buddy who sells fish estimates that 80% of the fish claimed dead were going through TTM. I personally stopped doing TTM because I would lose the fish on the 2nd or 3rd transfer unexpectedly. I have had much better success with CP
 
My Moorish idol literally died minutes after tank transfer.
It was a pair. I say an orange worm come out of the 1st one to die.
The second one didn't seem to have any.
 
I heard that CP is a hit or miss. Which brand did you use?

Dmorty217 said:
i think what he is addressing is that everyone makes it out like TTM is so simple and straight forward (which it is) but what you don't hear about is all the fish that are lost during TTM. My buddy who sells fish estimates that 80% of the fish claimed dead were going through TTM. I personally stopped doing TTM because I would lose the fish on the 2nd or 3rd transfer unexpectedly. I have had much better success with CP
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Dmorty217 said:
i think what he is addressing is that everyone makes it out like TTM is so simple and straight forward (which it is) but what you don't hear about is all the fish that are lost during TTM. My buddy who sells fish estimates that 80% of the fish claimed dead were going through TTM. I personally stopped doing TTM because I would lose the fish on the 2nd or 3rd transfer unexpectedly. I have had much better success with CP
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Given that tank transfer is typically done immediately after arrival, I think it's tough to make a causal claim off of correlational (and anecdotal) evidence. I would hazard a guess that 80% of fish that die before making it to a DT are lost in the first 3-5 days of arrival regardless of what treatment is used. The data that we have access to is REALLY crummy from a statistical perspective, and as TTM becomes more popular (which I think it has over the past few years) we'll hear about even more instances of TTM "failures", though people who have had success tend to keep quiet b/c they have nothing remarkable to say.
 
There's no way that 80% are lost because of the TTM method.
If SG, PH, and temp are matched or very close, how would there even be a single effect on the fish?
 
itz frank said:
There's no way that 80% are lost because of the TTM method.
If SG, PH, and temp are matched or very close, how would there even be a single effect on the fish?
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This is what I was told and in all instances they were being put through TTM, even if the fish wasn't newly collected. It's clearly a case of user error somehow/some way, but I think it happens more than not is all I'm saying.
 
Dmorty217 said:
New life spectrum ich shield powder. I buy new every 2 months to ensure its fresh and dose higher than what is recommended on the bottle
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Told by whom? The people selling you the NLS Ich shield? User error, yes. But unless someone did a study on this and has tracked it with substantial notes... that's 3 out of every 4 fish. You see higher success rates than that here on this forum alone.

Not saying they didn't tell you that number but I find that extremely outrageous. Especially, since when I set up my upgrade, it was late at night and I simply tossed all 9 of my existing fish into the new tank with no acclimation. And just by judging temp with my hand I knew they weren't any where near close. 0 losses.
 
Dmorty217 said:
i think what he is addressing is that everyone makes it out like TTM is so simple and straight forward (which it is) but what you don't hear about is all the fish that are lost during TTM. My buddy who sells fish estimates that 80% of the fish claimed dead were going through TTM. I personally stopped doing TTM because I would lose the fish on the 2nd or 3rd transfer unexpectedly. I have had much better success with CP
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Yup!!! TTM is usually ok for me, but I just had a transitioning flame wrasse who was doing good for 8.5 days and then just die the day before the 3rd transfer. I was so pi55ed!!! That thing ate like a champ and was looking great. Can't explain why it died. Used ammo lock on the second day, ambient temps were under 80. I'm done with fish for now


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itz frank said:
Told by whom? The people selling you the NLS Ich shield? User error, yes. But unless someone did a study on this and has tracked it with substantial notes... that's 3 out of every 4 fish. You see higher success rates than that here on this forum alone.

Not saying they didn't tell you that number but I find that extremely outrageous. Especially, since when I set up my upgrade, it was late at night and I simply tossed all 9 of my existing fish into the new tank with no acclimation. And just by judging temp with my hand I knew they weren't any where near close. 0 losses.
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No not by anyone from NLS. They are people who sell fish online and one of the two works for a very well known place. Name dropping isn't important. You dropping established fish into a tank and them surviving doesn't mean much. Same thing I do when I get new fish, open the bag and dump and they all live too. Whatever the case is for losing the fish in TTM maybe, still doesn't change the fact that it happened. All my point was is that more fish die during TTM than anyone leads others to believe is all
 
In my experience, much to my initial reluctance, TTM was not stressful. At all. Three butterflies and a juvenile Regal Angel all ate within minutes of the transfer and were not nervous or skittish.

The last 50 minutes of the first and third tank session were with formalin. The second and fourth session were with Prazi Pro. If the cycled observation tank was not ready by the end of the fourth session, another session was used to get the observation tank (at least 5 weeks there) ready.
 
 
Dmorty217 said:
i think what he is addressing is that everyone makes it out like TTM is so simple and straight forward (which it is) but what you don't hear about is all the fish that are lost during TTM. My buddy who sells fish estimates that 80% of the fish claimed dead were going through TTM.
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My money is on poor water quality (especially ammonia readings), not using water from the same batch (especially very different salinity/ pH levels), undetected diseases that aren't treated by TTM etc...

Even the toughest fish have a tipping point. Typically wild caught, purged before shipping overseas, shipped again between wholesalers, transhippers and LFS. Along the way they are exposed to various parasites and meds. By the time you get them from a shop their history is an unknown.

Just some food for thought.
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If you match the tanks up perfect , it should be rather easy. Just use he same salt and same heater or ambien room temp depending on your home - we t t in a extra room that is 73 all day all night and then just use the same salt. We never lost a fish , have done a blue face angel, several tangs (couple Achilles, Achilles hybrid, abberant, gem) and the May types of wrasses.

We find it the easiest for us and you can heavy feed them - then Turkey Baseter out any left over room - then move tanks
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2422076
 
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