Tank without a sump?

MOOSE1504

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Ok I don't like the idea of having holes in tanks holding water, I also don't like the idea of flooding in my front room. This is how I set my 125g up what do you all think.

I got a Fluval 305 Canister filter (rated for 70gal),

I got a Marineland 350 with bio-wheels (rated for 70 gal)

I got Supreme Skilter 250 Aquarium Filter & Protein Skimmer (rated 125 gallons as the protein skimmer and supplemental filter)

I have about about 20-30 lbs of live rock in there now but making a crap tone of my own live rock that's curing.

Have two powerheads 800gph planning on getting two more for the tank.

I have about 1.5 inch of Caribbean mix sand


What do you guys think can I make this work with out a sump? I want to put some zoo's, mushroom's, anemone's and some hammer's in once I got all my rock done and in place.
 
I understand your concern but I assure you it's unfounded. You are no more likely to have spills with a drilled tank than you are with one that isn't. You can make it work without a sump for sure but it will likely be more maintenance and unsightly as all of your equipment will be in the display.
 
Ok I don't like the idea of having holes in tanks holding water, I also don't like the idea of flooding in my front room. This is how I set my 125g up what do you all think.

I got a Fluval 305 Canister filter (rated for 70gal),

I got a Marineland 350 with bio-wheels (rated for 70 gal)

I got Supreme Skilter 250 Aquarium Filter & Protein Skimmer (rated 125 gallons as the protein skimmer and supplemental filter)

I have about about 20-30 lbs of live rock in there now but making a crap tone of my own live rock that's curing.

Have two powerheads 800gph planning on getting two more for the tank.

I have about 1.5 inch of Caribbean mix sand


What do you guys think can I make this work with out a sump? I want to put some zoo's, mushroom's, anemone's and some hammer's in once I got all my rock done and in place.

well, canister filters, they sit lower than the tank, and build up detritus, so they need to be cleaned weekly ! or they become a detritus pool, or a no3 factory.

skimmer, you always want to go bigger. no experience with that skimmer though.
without a sump, your water level is not constant, therefore skimming performance is lowered.

DIY LR takes a long time to cure, dont introduce too early :)

if I was you, I Would take the tank down, sell the canister filters, and take your tank to a LFS around you and ask them to drill it, and get a smallish tank for sump, that way you can keep water level in sump constant for skimmer, get surface skimming, can hide heaters in sump, more water volume, and .....

of course, your method is doable as well ! I have a tank, with only LR, 2 power heads, and sand and some carbon in a bag .... some grape algae growing on the LR and I trim them weekly .... the algea growing and getting trimmed is lowering no3 and po4 in water. (thats how it is filtered)

hope that helped a bit :)
 
I went out and got all this stuff new so i dont plan on selling it. I dont mind to see the filters on the back of the tank. The live rock i made is going to soak with daily water changes for 4 weeks then i will start checking the PH lel
 
I went out and got all this stuff new so i dont plan on selling it. I dont mind to see the filters on the back of the tank. The live rock i made is going to soak with daily water changes for 4 weeks then i will start checking the PH lel

not sure what you are asking then ? :)
 
oh lol sorry... Just is it possable to keep a reef tank up and running with what i have?

it sure is possible :)

you will need to clean (take offline, empty and wash) the canister filters often.

I would remove the bio wheels, they have the ability to convert nh4 to no2, no2 to no3, but cant do anything with NO3, while LR and sand might be able to process no3, so it is not needed.

from the coral list :
zoo's, mushroom's, anemone's and some hammer's

what is the lighting ? zoos and mushrooms you can keep for sure, anemone and hammer will be more riskey. wait a while before thinking of anemones and LPS.
 
Ok I don't like the idea of having holes in tanks holding water, I also don't like the idea of flooding in my front room.

You're worrying about nothing. There's tens of thousands of drilled tanks in this hobby and you don't read daily reports of people flooding their homes simply because the tank was drilled.

I got a Fluval 305 Canister filter (rated for 70gal),

That was dumb. Canister filters are antiquated pieces of junk and have no business in a salt water tank. Nothing but a nitrate factory. Waste of money.

I got a Marineland 350 with bio-wheels (rated for 70 gal)

That was dumb too. Bio-wheels are nothing but nitrate factories, just like that canister filter you bought. Waste of money.

I got Supreme Skilter 250 Aquarium Filter & Protein Skimmer (rated 125 gallons as the protein skimmer and supplemental filter)

Not big enough. You should have bought one rated for a 250 - 300g tank. Waste of money.

I have about about 20-30 lbs of live rock in there now but making a crap tone of my own live rock that's curing.

Not enough rock yet. Don't know why you are bothering with making your own rock. You can buy dry, clean base rock from BRS for about $2.50 per pound.

Have two powerheads 800gph planning on getting two more for the tank.

Thats the first smart thing you did so far.

I have about 1.5 inch of Caribbean mix sand

2 smart things in a row.

What do you guys think can I make this work with out a sump?

Yes, you can make it work without a sump, but your choice in equipment leads me to believe you did zero or very little research before wasting all that money on worthless equipment

I want to put some zoo's, mushroom's, anemone's and some hammer's in once I got all my rock done and in place.

You didn't mention lights. Do you have any idea what kind of lights are needed for an anemone? Do you have any idea how those types of lights will clash with low light zoas, mushrooms and hammers?

Anemones shouldn't be placed in tanks that have not been running at least 12 months. I am going to go out on a limb here and predict massive nitrates in your tank, due to your equipment choices. You'll kill an anemone quicker than you can sneeze in a barn full of dry hay.


I went out and got all this stuff new so i dont plan on selling it.

That was dumb. You should have spent some more time reading these forums and asking questions before you spent all that money on worthless equipment.


I dont mind to see the filters on the back of the tank.

I think thats pretty apparent.

The live rock i made is going to soak with daily water changes for 4 weeks then i will start checking the PH

Good luck with that.

This is how I set my 125g up what do you all think.

I think you will be darn lucky if it runs for more than 6 months without killing at least $250 worth of live stock and raging hair algae problems.

You asked.....

Again, you should have done more research. You seam like the type that thinks they are smarter than everybody else, so you went ahead and did what you thought was best, instead of spending the time to read up on current tank husbandry. Not very patient, are you? :lol: Good luck!!!
 
yeah im in no rush... I know it takes awhile..... The light 48" T5 Quad Deluxe 216W Marine Version(4x 54W) 2x 10000K and 2x Actinic Blue lamps +4 LEDS
 
Return the bio wheel and the canister and the skimmer.

Buy a 55g tank and build your own sump. Drill the 125 and put dual 1.5" drain lines on it. Run a Mag 9.5 return pump. Buy a decent skimmer sized for a 250 - 300g tank.
 
also, if ure worried about sump (I was too 10 years ago) you need to understand how it works better, there are ways to make a sump 100% flood safe,

here is a good read. not sure if I can post it.
http://www.melevsreef.com/what_sump.html

a well designed sump and drilled tank is safer than using canister filters ! I tell you that much :) I have had more floods due to leak on canisters than sump.
 
FIRST OFF SMARTA_S_S
I dont think im smarter than everyone. Im new to this site and had the LFS tell me what i needed. WOW it is crazy how many people think they are GOD in the internet. I would say before you profile any one else maybe you need to get your fact right first.
 
yeah im in no rush... I know it takes awhile..... The light 48" T5 Quad Deluxe 216W Marine Version(4x 54W) 2x 10000K and 2x Actinic Blue lamps +4 LEDS

the lighting is enough for zoos, but not anemones nor LPS.

I have been down this road too, many have ! you will end up spending 12 times more than u need to, just to learn all that was a waste of money !! and have to sell them off (or put them all in locker like my case) and buy everything right again ...
 
FIRST OFF SMARTA_S_S

this is not needed !! moose. everyone is trying to help you, and help you save money ! we have all been down this road, and we know it is a dead end. LFS is there to make money, its a business.

after all, when you make a thread asking for ppls opinion and help, you need to be open to every type of reply !
 
the lighting is enough for zoos, but not anemones nor LPS.

I have been down this road too, many have ! you will end up spending 12 times more than u need to, just to learn all that was a waste of money !! and have to sell them off (or put them all in locker like my case) and buy everything right again ...

do i need a new light in whole or just diff bulbs?
 
do i need a new light in whole or just diff bulbs?

more bulbs, 2-4 more atleast for a low light demanding anemone, placed on top !

I dont think he was calling anyone dumb, but just saying there is ALOT to learn, so it best to read and do more research before buying anything :)
 
so another quad t5 would do the trick ?

Look at his post he was calling me out no big deal im over arrogant people
 
What are the dimensions of the tank. Standard 125?
The depth will play a huge role in how effective your lighting is.
These guys are right about the canister filters. They require a lot of maintenance and tend to leak in my experience. If you don't feel like getting the tank drilled you should look into a HOB overflow such as a CPR branded one that uses a aqualifter to keep the siphon and prevent flooding. Pm me of you need any advice or have more questions
Good luck :)
 
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