Tanked?

Yeah the hot tap water and crappy ice machine ice to fill that tank and them dump thousands of dollars woth of fish in kinda rubbed me the same way. I will watch the show just for the builds but Im not impressed with there methods of stocking....We shall see!
 
SwampyBill said:
The promo trailer was enough for me...I tried watching the other night, but couldn't last until 1st commercial break. I truly hope those yahoo's practice better husbandry when camera's are off.....
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Agreed, the first thought that came to my mind was, "Idiots", but "yahoo's, works too.
 
Maybe I missed something? They talked about their acclimation process and I believe thats why the fish were in the gray buckets. I'm sure there will be people that will disagree but I see no reason why fish can't be put in a tank that is only a few days old if you keep up with the water parameters? I've done it before with no problems. But I keep up with the water quality while the tank is breaking in.

Does anyone think that the tanks that are set up at the Aquarium conventions have been sitting for 2 months before they added the fish for the show?
 
JDL1000 said:
Maybe I missed something? They talked about their acclimation process and I believe thats why the fish were in the gray buckets. I'm sure there will be people that will disagree but I see no reason why fish can't be put in a tank that is only a few days old if you keep up with the water parameters? I've done it before with no problems. But I keep up with the water quality while the tank is breaking in.

Does anyone think that the tanks that are set up at the Aquarium conventions have been sitting for 2 months before they added the fish for the show?
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First of all, dumping fish into a brand new setup is NOT a good idea, regardless of your personal experience. If you see no reason why fish can't be put in a tank that is only a few days old then I suggest you start doing some reading. There are plenty of reasons to not do this, even if YOU see no reason. Do you have any studies to back up your conclusion?

Keeping fish in temporary tanks at trade shows is completely different
 
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Yeah, if these guys were so professional, why would they put a parrotfish in any of those tanks? Probably already starved to death.
 
Barfly said:
First of all, dumping fish into a brand new setup is NOT a good idea, regardless of your personal experience. If you see no reason why fish can't be put in a tank that is only a few days old then I suggest you start doing some reading. There are plenty of reasons to not do this, even if YOU see no reason. Do you have any studies to back up your conclusion?

Keeping fish in temporary tanks at trade shows is completely different
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I guess I shouldn't have said that "I see no reason". Of course there is a reason. That reason is the "The Nitrogen Cycle". Probably most newbys to the hobby should wait out the cycling time. But those people that know how to control the ammonia and nitrites during the process shouldn't have any trouble adding the fish right away. Friends of mine and myself have done this many times with out problems. I've done this many times in my 33 years of owning and caring for aquariums.

In fact I set up a 150 gallon from scratch two months ago everything is perfect. Tank contained from start up about 15 fish, 7 of which are tangs. Hell, I've had corals in the tank all doing well from day one of the set up. (LPS and SPS) I have 2 Rose anemones one takes up a quarter of the tank. All doing well. I guess I'm just lucky.

So yes if your able to cycle the tank that is the best way, I agree! But it doesn't have to be done that way if you know what your doing.
 
stepnic2 said:
Yeah, if these guys were so professional, why would they put a parrotfish in any of those tanks? Probably already starved to death.
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Most of the fish in those tanks only live a couple of months.

JDL1000 said:
But those people that know how to control the ammonia and nitrites during the process shouldn't have any trouble adding the fish right away.
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Please expand on how this process works. Thanks
 
This "hobby" is expensive, we all can agree on that. Anyone whether its a yuppie or yahoo thinks before making an investment. No one wants it to all go to waste nor does anyone want to kill livestock(unless demented). A few here have great knowledge of our hobby and critic newbies to the extreme, but we all started somewhere. As a newbie myself I really do believe we are underestimating the "newbies" or "general public".
 
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OMG I can't believe that I'm about to defend this show.:headwalls:

IF the "biofilter" is well established (as in several months filtering a huge bioload) off site then transferred, what the "yahoos" did will work. No different than setting up a tank for a trade show or short exhibit. It is entirely possible for a new tank to have a stable nitrogen cycle if the proper planning is done. Did they take such precautions? I hope so. Would've been nice for a quick mention if they did. IMO, on this point there is no need for hobbyist infighting. Before the flaming starts, remember I'm the guy who routinely tells people to cycle their tanks with nothing but live rock and in the dark for 6 months. I know how it is suppose to be done but I also know that "cheating" is allowed.

Again IMO, there are plenty of much more questionable things to legitimately criticize this show and the "yahoos" for.
 
ichthyman said:
OMG I can't believe that I'm about to defend this show.:headwalls:

IF the "biofilter" is well established (as in several months filtering a huge bioload) off site then transferred, what the "yahoos" did will work. No different than setting up a tank for a trade show or short exhibit. It is entirely possible for a new tank to have a stable nitrogen cycle if the proper planning is done. Did they take such precautions? I hope so. Would've been nice for a quick mention if they did. IMO, on this point there is no need for hobbyist infighting. Before the flaming starts, remember I'm the guy who routinely tells people to cycle their tanks with nothing but live rock and in the dark for 6 months. I know how it is suppose to be done but I also know that "cheating" is allowed.

Again IMO, there are plenty of much more questionable things to legitimately criticize this show and the "yahoos" for.
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Agreed, but like you said I saw no such filtration media being moved from an established tank or even used. Most of the tanks so far have had little to no live rock.

I have also set up a tank without a cycle by using 100% live rock and it works great, but can be expensive, depending on tank size.

My initial questioning was in reference to JDL1000's comment about controlling the ammonia and nitrates. He made it seems as though he was aware of a process to control nitrites, nitrates, and ammonia that only experienced reefers should try to do when cycling a tank. I'm still curious as to what this process is because I have found no information on the subject. I'd be more than happy to read up if a link is provided.

And John, while I have your attention in this thread, what is your opinion of this product?...

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store...marine-pure-ceramic-biomedia-8x8x4-block.html
 
There you go Barfly, what John (ichthyman) posted expanded on how this process works.

I just didn't feel like arguing with you over something that can be safely done if done right.
 
JDL1000 said:
I guess I shouldn't have said that "I see no reason". Of course there is a reason. That reason is the "The Nitrogen Cycle". Probably most newbys to the hobby should wait out the cycling time. But those people that know how to control the ammonia and nitrites during the process shouldn't have any trouble adding the fish right away. Friends of mine and myself have done this many times with out problems. I've done this many times in my 33 years of owning and caring for aquariums.

In fact I set up a 150 gallon from scratch two months ago everything is perfect. Tank contained from start up about 15 fish, 7 of which are tangs. Hell, I've had corals in the tank all doing well from day one of the set up. (LPS and SPS) I have 2 Rose anemones one takes up a quarter of the tank. All doing well. I guess I'm just lucky.

So yes if your able to cycle the tank that is the best way, I agree! But it doesn't have to be done that way if you know what your doing.
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Seven tangs in a 150? Hope they're getting along alright.
 
JDL1000 said:
There you go Barfly, what John (ichthyman) posted expanded on how this process works.

I just didn't feel like arguing with you over something that can be safely done if done right.
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Well, that's common knowledge and can be done easily by a "newbie". You claimed to have a method that was so advanced that you would not recommend it to a novice. I wasn't trying to argue with you. I just wanted to know what your method for controlling ammonia during the cycle. Using an already established filter, assuming it is large enough, pretty much negates the need to even worry about ammonia.

Again, all I was asking you is...

How you control ammonia in a cycling tank?
 
What the show conveys is crap and I highly doubt they have filtration systems running on established systems ready to disconnect and be put online of newly set up systems. If they do, that is one hell of a filtration system.
I don't think you can control ammonia in a cycling system without doing a nearly 100% water change.
 
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