Tankmate for my achilles

[problemfixer]

Read the FIRST POST. No mention of a 65g tank until Tampa through that out there first. Now, who went on the offensive with attacking first? - that was a Tang Police comment.

The question is: What tang can be housed with an Achillies Tang?

Nobody told this person to keep it in a 65g. The original post/question does not ask "can an Achillies be kept in a 65g?"

Cubs, you are as a bad as Tampa when it comes to reading and answering to the exact language. Don't mentally insert conditions that isn't part of the question.

New member does not equal new hobbyist.

Another favorite of mine: "high post count doesn't equal high intelligence" which allot members try to rack up.

This does not have anything to do with getting more post counts, which you wrongly assume.

All comes down to reading the question.

 

[problemfixer]

we made it to page 2 arguing if it's a good idea to add a tang to a 65 gallon tank that already contains an achilles tang. no shame here pal.

The OP did not ask this question, please re-read the first post.
This post got extended because some wanted to bring in the tank size.
I'm not arguing whether it's ok for an Achillies to be in a 65g. I'm arguing that a few posters attacked the OP and made this thread into the 65g issue.

"What tang can be housed with an Achillies Tang?"

Pretty straight forward.

 

[Creetin]

The OP did not ask this question, please re-read the first post.
This post got extended because some wanted to bring in the tank size.
I'm not arguing whether it's ok for an Achillies to be in a 65g. I'm arguing that a few posters attacked the OP and made this thread into the 65g issue.

"What tang can be housed with an Achillies Tang?"

Pretty straight forward.

Go read the OP posts in all of his threads. It won't take long and you will see where he posted that he was new to this and had a 65 gallon tank.
So he does not mention it in this thread, and he does not deny it here either.

 

[snorvich]

If the original poster gets information/opinions that he does not wish to hear, he should simply ignore it. However his 65 gallon tank is 3 months old so expecting any tang to do well in a newer smallish tank is somewhat problematical. As this board solicits opinions, if you ask a question that requires context (such as tank size), people will provide opinions based on that context which can easily be obtained from the OP others posts. For some, the best way to learn in this hobby is by failing/screwing up. However, ad hominem attacks as are happening now are certainly at the least counter productive to the board and the discussion.

 

[Toddrtrex]

If the original poster gets information/opinions that he does not wish to hear, he should simply ignore it. As this board solicits opinions, if you ask a question that requires context (such as tank size), people will provide opinions based on that context. For some, the best way to learn in this hobby is by failing/screwing up. However, ad hominem attacks as are happening now are certainly at the least counter productive.

Thank you for that post Steve, said it better then I ever could have.

 

[cubsFAN]

Read the FIRST POST. No mention of a 65g tank until Tampa through that out there first. Now, who went on the offensive with attacking first? - that was a Tang Police comment.

The question is: What tang can be housed with an Achillies Tang?

Nobody told this person to keep it in a 65g. The original post/question does not ask "can an Achillies be kept in a 65g?"

Cubs, you are as a bad as Tampa when it comes to reading and answering to the exact language. Don't mentally insert conditions that isn't part of the question.

New member does not equal new hobbyist.

Another favorite of mine: "high post count doesn't equal high intelligence" which allot members try to rack up.

This does not have anything to do with getting more post counts, which you wrongly assume.

All comes down to reading the question.

There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Read my posts. I don't think they are totally crazy. Just observations. I think you don't really care about the op and really just feel a need to defend yourself. need a hug pal. mwuuuah.:love2:

one thing i really loved about the search feature was that you could do searches of peoples previous posts to see how they answered questions and what kind of questions they were asking. it will be a great thing when it returns. i dont think # of posts says anything about your experience in the hobby, but i do think, as i posted above, that a lot of people dont have the right intentions on this website. seems to me a lot of people see this as a good place to make a buck. i cant believe i am so pathetic that i bothered posting again. the cubs are getting destroyed. i think im feeling sorry for myself.

 

[snorvich]

Hey guys, that is enough. We have long past the point of useful information.

 

[cubsFAN]

Hey guys, that is enough. We have long past the point of useful information.

ok. so long as I agree that I am right and he is wrong. ok. I agree. done.:strooper:

 

[IFbettas]

What other tang can be kept with an achilles? Any tang can be kept with an achilles if you have a big enough tank. 65 gallons is not big enough for ANY tang given the 3 foot length.

I use a 4 foot 55 gallon tank for quarantining fish, including tangs. I had a 3" powder blue tang in the quarantine tank for about a month. Powder blues and achilles are quite similar, IME. Toward the end of this month he started to act very nervous and paced back and forth constantly. I moved him into my 6 foot 180 and he immediately returned to normal behavior.

I don't want to stir anything up, but that is my opinion/experience.

 

[problemfixer]

I'll let it go, but it was never about the 65g. I don't disagree it's a small tank.
Creetin, the OP only fired back because someone brought up the issue even though it did not pertain to the original question (hence, the Tang Police comment). I don't recall him saying he was new, he was looking for other Achillies experience.
What bothers me is that someone (not just this post) will ask a question or want an opinion. Sometimes an answer/follow-up post will shot off into another direction/issue, without answering the original question.
I felt that happened here, and that the OP did not appreciate it, and I can certainly understand (wrong again Cubby). I mentioned this before, to many replies are not made in a tactful manner.
Cubs, if I was interested in getting 50 posts, I would have done it allot faster. Fell free to research my posts, you'll find out your wrong again on that one. I would actually prefer to stay away from these posts, but sometimes it gets to bothering when you see them over and over.
Let me just present this question and move on

If the OP was planning an upgrade, does he:

a) Plan for the Achillies only
or
b) Plan for an even larger tank to include another tang if it's possible.



We can all speculate, but don't know the answer. But if you want to assume he's keeping it in a 65g long term, why don't you assume he's working on an upgrade?


I'll I'm asking, just be tactful and not dish out sharp critical comments.

Good luck all.

 

[TampaReefer79]

Read the FIRST POST. No mention of a 65g tank until Tampa through that out there first. A) Even if he didn't mention it, as Creetin said - it's not hard to figure out the tank is 65 gallons and 3 feet long. B) I was post 7...you don't mention the 5 replies above me telling him the tank was too small. Now, who went on the offensive with attacking first? - that was a Tang Police comment. Attacking or giving very useful, sound advice?

The question is: What tang can be housed with an Achillies Tang?

Nobody told this person to keep it in a 65g. The original post/question does not ask "can an Achillies be kept in a 65g?"

Cubs, you are as a bad as Tampa when it comes to reading and answering to the exact language. Don't mentally insert conditions that isn't part of the question. You are a big stickler for exact language so try this one on for size...my post that you keep mentioning actually should have an asterick because I said, IF:

OR...

Get the achilles tang into an appropriately sized tank. (if it's in a 65 gallon, 3 foot tank)

New member does not equal new hobbyist.

Another favorite of mine: "high post count doesn't equal high intelligence" which allot members try to rack up.

This does not have anything to do with getting more post counts, which you wrongly assume.

All comes down to reading the question.

I'll let it go, but it was never about the 65g. I don't disagree it's a small tank.
Creetin, the OP only fired back because someone brought up the issue even though it did not pertain to the original question (hence, the Tang Police comment). Of course the tank size pertains to the original question. How can it not? "What tangs can I keep with my Achilles tang?" The first question is always, "What size tank?" Is it not? Once it was discovered that the tank was 65 gallons and 3 feet the answer was NONE. We can't give answers on a presumed upgrade. We go by what he has and at THIS time, the fish isn't right for his setup. That's my advice and it's my opinion. I seem to be alone most times in expressing this which I'm sure will get me moved on someday, but that's the only way I'll stop expressing this opinion. I want to thank the few of you that stuck with me in this thread, I seem to be alone on an island in most of these 'discussions'.
I don't recall him saying he was new, he was looking for other Achillies experience.
What bothers me is that someone (not just this post) will ask a question or want an opinion. Sometimes an answer/follow-up post will shot off into another direction/issue, without answering the original question.
I felt that happened here, and that the OP did not appreciate it, and I can certainly understand (wrong again Cubby). I mentioned this before, to many replies are not made in a tactful manner.
Cubs, if I was interested in getting 50 posts, I would have done it allot faster. You'd still have to wait 90 days so getting to 50 fast really has no relevance. Fell free to research my posts, you'll find out your wrong again on that one. I would actually prefer to stay away from these posts, but sometimes it gets to bothering when you see them over and over. You are seeing these responses over and over because you're hearing the SAME question over and over. Achilles in a 65, powder blue in a 50. Hippo in a 29 high, vlamingii in a 54 corner etc etc etc. And when they get the advice from someone with EXPERIENCE (that they sought out), they argue with it. And then 10 people post saying 'don't listen to the tang police, you can stick a tang in any sized tank'. THAT'S what should be 'bothering you.
Let me just present this question and move on

If the OP was planning an upgrade, does he:

a) Plan for the Achillies only
or
b) Plan for an even larger tank to include another tang if it's possible.

We can all speculate, but don't know the answer. But if you want to assume he's keeping it in a 65g long term, why don't you assume he's working on an upgrade? Doesn't matter if he's upgrading, he can't house it properly now so he should make other arrangements NOW. Not in a year. Again, my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I'll I'm asking, just be tactful and not dish out sharp critical comments.

Good luck all.

To the original poster:

You can pretty much keep any tang with an achilles...but we'd need to know what size tank first. Again, in a 65...well you know that answer. Are you planning a 180? 220? 500? We need that info before we can answer the ORIGINAL question. The original question is useless without knowing the tank size. Oh and IBTL.

 

[problemfixer]

I have a juvenille achilles tang (approx. 2.5 inches long). I was curious if there is any other tang that would be suitable to house in the same tank or will the achilles just fight with another tang.

Let me help, the answer is yes or no.

If you need more info, then ask.

If you want to dish out criticism, then be willing to receive it.

Let it go.

 

[TampaReefer79]

Just for tampa's peace of mind
1 an achilles that size will do fine in a tank that size as long as it is under 4 inches
2 the 65g tank is not a permanent home for the tang
3 I did do all the research that is how i know that it is fine in the tank it is in
4 I already figured out that it is a fish that will not get along well with other tangs
5 All I was looking for was some first hand experience with achilles from someone who is willing to share

IF YOU ARE ONLY HERE TO CONDEM THEN YOUR TIME AND ENERGY IS WASTED. NOT EVERYONE IS A DUMB AS YOU THINK AND YOU ARE NOT THE SHERIFF OF FISHLAND.

Have a wonderful day everyone

:crazy1::crazy1::crazy1:

The point is, the OP started a thread seeking tang advice and already knew all of the answers. (See above) This thread is essentially useless to the OP. It was probably a joke anyway.

 

[problemfixer]

Hi and welcome to the addiction if you are new to this forum. Weird, but you will notice that most people on here get offended or get super touchy on various topics. Don't take anything personal. :frog:

Now, back to the topic at hand. I have a 250 gallon plus tank along with a 75 gallon quarantine tank. The quarantine tank is set up specifically for my new tangs. So if you plan to upgrad, your small tang should be fine in your 65gallon for the time being. In my current display tank i have:

-Sohal 8 inches, Yellow 6 inches, Purple 6 inches, Achillles 9 inches, Tomini 4 inches, Blue HIppo 7 inches, Bariene 10 inches

I have been accused of overstocking in the past, however I believe the high stock helps reduce the aggression among my tangs from my experience. Because there is many tangs swimming around, the boss (Sohal) cannot target on one specific tang to harass. After awhile all the tangs become accustom to one another and learn to tolerate one another co-existing peacefully. The key to my success i believe is I tend to buy bigger , meaning that my new tangs has to be bigger than the boss of the tank to reduce stress pecking.

I also have a cleaner wrasse with a load of cleaner shrimps to aid in cleaning my tangs. Nutrition is also key. I find that the NLS pellets worked the best for me, supplemented by nori.

Whatever the case, good luck. And don't take anything personal on these forums. :rollface:

Here is someone who answered the question. (the second person out of all of the posts)

 

[Toddrtrex]

Hey guys, that is enough. We have long past the point of useful information.

People should read this, and let this thread die.

 

[problemfixer]

:crazy1::crazy1::crazy1:

after you dropped a Tang Police comment.

 

[snorvich]

Goodness gracious problemfixer, you REALLY do not know how to leave it alone.

 

[cubsFAN]

problemfixer you are totally AWESOME!!!

 

[snorvich]

cubsFAN, it is time to stop. Now.

 

[problemfixer]

Goodness gracious problemfixer, you REALLY do not know how to leave it alone.

It was dying until Tampa came back onto the scene.

I am pretty awesome, chalk up another post cubby bear