tank's not looking too good.

Joe,
Your tank still looks amazing, I canÃ"šÃ‚´t imagine where all those dear corals were int here!! it looks like you have no space and somehow they were in there!
Good luck
 
I agree with everyone else, it still looks superb! Hopefully it can remain that way :) Also are you running DE or SE xm10k's?
 
I think he was running 10k SE.
I just looked at his web site, it looks he is going to dismantle his tank if he hasnÃ"šÃ‚´t done so.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Mark
 
I am planning on getting a good part of the corals out of the tank in the next week or two. I'm still having a problem with STN, only on corals in a particular area. I had a large green millepora STN on me a while back. I wrote about it in this thread or another when I was having problem with the tank in Nov/Dec of last year. That millepora was huge and was right next to a bunch of other acros. It looks like all the acros that it touched have developed STN as well. sS most of the acros near the top of the tank are slowly STN'ing. All the other corals are not effected. But I've been able to slowly watch the STN go from that one coral, to the one next, then slowly over to the one next to that. Probably lost 5 more corals due to that alone. But this is one of the reasons everyone always tells us not to have corals so close. If something like this happens, it can slowly migrate to the other corals. I had the same thing happen a few years ago too. Nothing to do but ride it out. :(

jsweir I don't dose iron anymore, I do still dose strontium once in a while. I slowed down mainly due to too much coralline growing on the glass. :)
 
Thought I would put some resolution to this thread. I found my problem last month. AEFW. Found them on the some of the effected corals. Removed the whole coral of ones that were having problems. Been watching the others and found no sign of the problem since. I would say all told I lost a good 12-14 colonies to this problem.

I had never had flatworm's in the tank before and really had not put any new corals in the tank for a long time so I didn't think that could possible be the cause. So I think I went looking for any reason this could be happening, while ignoring that it could be from an infected coral. Then after speaking to someone that had the same problems I remember the only coral that was new to my tank was from him. That coral first went into my frag tank, of which a month or so later I lost almost 60 frags, I moved one or two of the frags to my main tank as I though it was a problem with my lighting in the frag tank. From those frags the problem spread to corals in close proximity to the frag, and it sort of went from there. At the time I thought it was just problems from the frag tank surfacing in the main tank, since it's all connected.

While I feel a little better at knowing what the cause was it was a painful lesson. The good news is I haven't had any issues since my last post in March.
 
how long after the new frag was added did you realize your problem?? what Im trying to figure out is how long can flatworms be in a system before they are noticed. I have acro frags in my tank for 8 monthe.. no sign. is it possible they are in there?
 
JB NY-

How did you finally find the AEFW on the affected corals? Since it took a while for you to finmally realize this was the problem, I'm curious.

I lose a frag here and there (probably like a lot of folks). And once or twice I see problems with a whole colony. So these AEFW are always in the back of my mind.

I have once or twice taken the dying frags or pieces and put them into a small dish with freshwater and lugols just to see if anything pops off. I never found anything so far.
 
Wow, sorry to hear about your infection. Did you rid yourself of the AEFW? And if so how? I know there are a couple of methods out there, but none of them are good, and in a tank like yours it maybe that none are possible due to the number of Q tanks required.

Thanks,
Whiskey
 
poknsnok within 2 months.

johns, Wiskey Pretty much threw out the baby with the bathwater. I got rid of all the affected corals. I only found flatworms on two of the corals, not all of them. But since phyically removing them from the tank I have not had anymore problems. with the rest of the corals.
 
JB NY-

Can you explain how you actually found the flatworms on the 2 corals that you were sure of?
 
I physically examined the corals.

I have a habit when I take corals out of the tank that die or are dieing, I break it up and look at the branches and stuff to see if I can find anything on it. Sometimes it's just to see if there is a lot of copepods, or sea stars ,or algae growing on it. Other times it's to see if I can find anything on the coral that might indicated why it died, sometimes I break off a branch and bleach it to see if I can tell what species the coral was...anyway one of the times I was breaking up a coral I noticed a few flatworms on parts of the coral that still had tissue on it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7258791#post7258791 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JB NY
I found my problem last month. AEFW. Found them on the some of the effected corals.
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Do you think this may have been the problem all along? Reading through this post, it seems the SPS in your tank have been having RTN/STN fits since late December. Also, several of your Acro mille colonies were the first to go, which correlates to my own, and several other people's, experience with AEFW. IME, and maybe yours, the tank parameters got out-of-whack, and it seems the SPS were then susceptible to an AEFW attack. The RTN/STN seems to be a reaction to the AEFW. I ran into this problem with 2 corals about 2 weeks ago: See this thread

I still am not sure how they would have gotten into my tank. They either colonize extremely fast, or have the ability to lay dormant for several months without doing noticeable damage and then strike when a colony gets stressed. Actually, at this point, I wonââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t rule out that they have the ability to do both!

You said it's been about a month since you've spotted and removed the AEFWs, and you haven't seen any signs of them since? I know I caught them early and hit their life cycle pretty hard, but I can't be certain they're gone for good. Are you? Or have you just not seen any more physical damage?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7260287#post7260287 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cfishrun
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Do you think this may have been the problem all along?

Yeah I think it is a good possiblity.

You said it's been about a month since you've spotted and removed the AEFWs, and you haven't seen any signs of them since? I know I caught them early and hit their life cycle pretty hard, but I can't be certain they're gone for good. Are you? Or have you just not seen any more physical damage?

Am I 100%. No. But I am 100% I dont have red bugs either. nope. I treated for them and they seem to be gone, but there is too much coral to say that it is nowhere in the tank.

All I can tell is the acroporids have been doing much better than a while ago. Acros cliped from the main tank that are now in my frag tank are doing very well. But if someone came out with a whole tank cure for AEFW tomorrow I would probably dose the whole tank just to be sure.
 
JB NY - NOT YOU TOO!!! man i hear of AEFW's SOOOOOOO much lately it makes me want to scream. i HOPE i never get them but it sounds like too many people are getting them to dodge the bullet

Lunchbucket
 
Man Joe I am sorry to hear of the AEFW problem. I am so glad I was able to catch them early and only lost a few out of my stuffed tank....I only used wrasses and TMPCC.

Anyways I hope to see some rebound pictures in the future.Your husbandry and tank is what drove me to setting up my very own sps tank and now I can't get enough.

Good luck
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7263123#post7263123 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jsweir
Easy equation to follow - no new corals = no flatworms.

I just can't seem to live without one more acro :)
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Always weigh the fact that that `one more' could wipe out your collection.

Especially if you don't QT.


IME, I kept 3 Montipora varieties [of over a dozen] when hit by the nudis ... may now be dealing with AEFW's.

It had better glow in the dark for me to consider adding another Acro to my display. Either that, or be nice enough I'd want to keep it in my coral-tub vs. display ...

But I wonder, after my tank was stocked with some nice stuff - why didn't I leave well enough alone? It's not like in a year I'd have extra space ...

Joe, sad to hear you had problems - but the timing seems good given your upgrade plans.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7270803#post7270803 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
Always weigh the fact that that `one more' could wipe out your collection.


But I wonder, after my tank was stocked with some nice stuff - why didn't I leave well enough alone? It's not like in a year I'd have extra space ...

Joe, sad to hear you had problems - but the timing seems good given your upgrade plans.
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I read where John Coppolino (COPPS) once said that he and his fellow reefers describe this addictive hobby as being like "crack" thats why we cant leave well enough alone. Ive told myself and my wife "this is the last time Im getting corals for a while" then i get more. I have redbugs in my tank but no AEFW or Nudis as far as i can tell. I have acros and montis for a year and they are fine, except for the bugs which seem to affect my tricolor more than anything. I dip and examine all new frags with TMPCC and I am as careful as I can be. I dont have a proper coral QT system so i do the precautionary dip and exam. we just love this hobby too much to say no to a sweet peice :)
 
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