The Definitive Thread on Destroying Cyanobacteria

xtrstangx

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First, you need to ask yourself the following questions:
How long has your tank been set up? If the answer is less than 6 months, its a phase of the maturing process. If it is more than 6 months, you have a nutrient issue.

What are your nitrates? Chances are the cyanobacteria is thriving on nitrates, especially if it is 5+. In some cases, the cyano will take up nitrates faster than your test kit can read them.

Do you use bioballs, sponges, canister filters, or any other mechanical filter? Mechanical media can trap detritus. They will convert the junk to nitrates, but rarely finish the process of changing them over to nitrogen gas. If you want to run mechanical filters, make sure you clean them often.

Do you have atleast 1 pound of rock to 1 gallon of water? Having 1 pound of rock per gallon is ABSOLUTELY necessary for denitrification.

Do you use a skimmer and how often do you do water changes? If you don't use a skimmer, get one. If you use a skimmer that is underrated, get a better one. If you don't do water changes, do larger water changes more often.

Do you use a refugium? I recommend one because they not only provide a place for copepods to propagate, but you can also grow macroalgae (such as chaetomorpha) which uses up the same nutrients as your cyano does.

What is your alkalinity? I have found that cyano usually thrives in low-alkalinity tanks. I suggest bringing your alkalinity up (I used to use baking soda):
http://home.comcast.net/~jdieck1/chem_calc3.html

Do you use tapwater for your reef? The only water that belongs in our tanks is RO/DI. You can also use distilled, but it may be expensive in the long run (nano tanks excluded). "filterdirect" has good quality (low price) RO/DI on eBay. Ask for the Dow 75GPD membrane (they will exchange it for no cost). The Dow membrane is more effective at removing junk from your water

Secondly, chemicals. There are a few chemicals on the market which claim to remove your cyano from your tank. Using these chemicals will remove the cyano most likely, but they do not remove the nutrients that the cyano is living on. Cyano will return or you will be stuck with another algae.

I battled cyano for a while. If your tank has just started up, its a phase that every tank goes through. Just wait it out and don't give up. If your tank is older, then you have a nutrient problem. More water changes of larger volume, skimmer maintenaince (and possibly a better skimmer), feeding less, etc

If you have cyano on your sand bed, DO NOT DISTURB YOUR SAND BED, especially if it is a DSB. This will cause very bad problems and can crash your tank.

Are there snails that eat cyano? In my experience, no. I had 1 Turbo snail that ate it, but he didn't go after it often. You can try to remove it by hand (I like to use a turkey baster and just suck it up). Another good method is to get 1/2" vinyl tubing (available at Home Depot for cheap) and siphon from your display into a filter sock in your sump. This will export the nutrients just like chaetomorpha

Myths about cyano:
1. Bad bulbs cause cyano. While old/expired bulbs will encourage cyano to grow (spectrum shift), it cannot be the only cause for cyano. Cyano has to have nutrients in the water (specifically nitrates and phosphates)
2. Low flow causes cyano. Just like light bulbs, this condition will encourage cyano to grow, but it cannot cause a cyano outbreak without nitrates and phosphates. Increasing the flow will help, but isn't your main problem.
3. Turning off your lights for a week. I suppose you could do this, it will kill what cyano you have now, but you still have the nutrients! You'll also have some angry fish and coral :lol:

Hopefully everyone can add something to this thread. I do not claim to be a marine biologist or even an expert reefer, just sharing my experiences with cyano.
 
Yes, sometimes more than nitrates. Cyano can process atmospheric N into nitrate, so it's never limited by nitrate. It is limited by phosphate though.
 
I like your thread, greenbean is right about the nitrates, main factor to eliminate is phosphates. I have seen quite a few cases of cyano caused by old RO filters not being replaced, if anyone has a cyano problem try testing the TDS level of replacement water.
 
This is by far the best post I have read on this topic
to the point and easy to follow. I fought cyano in my old 90 and hated chemi clean unlike the success stories I read about it did not touch the cyano problem I had.
We have a new tank now fitted with a fuge, better skimmer, and ozone. I still suspect we will go through a stage to deal with it but so far so good.
I am book marking this for sure
Thanks for posting it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6256594#post6256594 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tjay
I fought cyano in my old 90 and hated chemi clean unlike the success stories I read about it did not touch the cyano problem I had.

That is something else that should be addressed. Chemi Clean, I suspect is the same type of thing as "Red Slime Remover" or something like that. It's an antibiotic. It works on Cyano, because Cyano is a bacteria, not an algae. The problem with adding antibiotics to your system, is that it not only kills Cyano bacteria, it kills ALL sorts of bacteria, including what we count on to consume Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate, behind the scenes, out of sight.

I'll make this a sticky, since it's been requested, but I don't think that's going to get it more attention than if it weren't stuck.
 
I agree. There was a local reefer who dosed his tank with Chemi-clean and ran it according to the instructions (turning off the skimmer and the water changes, etc). He had pretty much a SPS-only tank and almost everything RTNed.

My cyano was eliminated when I eliminated phosphates, although the phosphates do play a huge role in algae growth. I imagine with my large fuge it sucks up phosphates as fast as nitrates.
 
Something that I recently tried that worked better than any chem treatment to date was to actually step up my feeding regimine.
Instead of 1x a day I ramped it up slowly to 3x a day over a 1 week period.

After using Phos Buster and Chemi Clean at different times the cyano would repeatedly return since the cause was still there to promote there growth. ie food, nutrients or ?.

The suggestion was to increase the feedings over a period of time to reenable the Nitrogen cycle to attack the cyano and eliminate it. I didn't go to the lengths of extensive testing and documentation but within 1 week the cyano had completley disappeared and has yet to even appear slightly after 3 weeks now. Out of 11 people the suggestion was made to, all 11 tanks self removed the cyano. The one thing to watch is your nitrates that they are not allowed to get out of hand but it does seem to work.

According to my initial tests that I only performed in the beginning, the Phosphates and Nitrates were both in the extremely low range. I'm not disputing that both (or singly) can lead to eventual cyano but I'm not quite sure we know what all the elements that create it are either.

I've used Phosphate removal media (various types) before and yet the cyano seems to be not bothered by it once it's taken hold.

In our local club a young lady with the ID Samala (on RC) who studies algae, gave a presentation that touched on algael growth. When I asked her about controlling cyano she presented me with an idea that goes against conventional control, which at best only sometimes works.
 
Interesting idea wds. I've never heard of it, or used it. It sounds like it is effective and your example definately proves it.
 
The idea behind that method is that cyano isn't nitrate limited, but other algaes are. When nitrates get low the other algaes can't grow and use the phosphates, but cyano still can. In low nitrate situations, cyano can out-compete other algaes since it pretty much has a monopoly on phosphates. What you're trying to do is get nitrate back in balance with phosphate again so the other algae can compete with the cyano.
 
AWESOME THREAD!!!
my tank(55g)is 5 months old and is going through cyano. it has gotten so bad that a very small gsp rock(2") was covered with it and wouldnt let the gsp extend!
i bought red slime remover over chemi-clean because chemi-clean i hear is very strong and i dont want to take any chances.

thanks ALOT for this thread!!
 
Red Slime Remover is not better than Chemi Clean, they are basically the same thing, an antibiotic.
 
Re: The Definitive Thread on Destroying Cyanobacteria

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6255711#post6255711 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xtrstangx
Do you have atleast 1 pound of rock to 1 gallon of water? Having 1 pound of rock per gallon is ABSOLUTELY necessary for denitrification. [/B]
In this forum, probably best to mention this, but ...

IMO one can also have so much rock, without circulation around, that it can be come one large rock-enclosed mountain of detritus.
Poor flow I think is often linked to cyano [myth above] as poor flow often can mean lots of trapped food/waste/debris building up and storing nutrients where it is not exported. In that sense - the `low flow myth' is true - in that export can be problematic with very little flow. Doesn't have to be, but can be/often.

It's important to say so folks with minimal/no LR know that this is involved - but IMO also important to let folks know that you don't want a wall of rock mortared together with built-up debris either.

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Greanbean's point about cyano being phosphate-limited is mighty important. I'm sure glad he raised it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6273160#post6273160 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Texas Aquarist
A lot of good information there!

Its not complete, but people are adding lots of (important) things. Hopefully all reefers will be able to link this thread one day to newbies. :rollface:

I'm planning on doing a little science experiment with cyano. Still trying to figure out the basics of it.
 
I am having a flareup of cyano again after getting rid of it a few months ago. I have done nothing different with the tank and it just showed up one day. The only thing that I can think of would be that my actinics are needing to be replaced. Would lighting be an issue with cyano. I changed out my MH's the last time I got rid of it and that seemed to send it on it's way.
 
I just eliminated cyano in a 5.5 gallon tank that had been up several months. Circulation was a HOB filter with no surface skimmer. I caused the cyano because of overfeeding. Got a shrimp/goby that was too shy to come out and eat. So I fed enough so there would be some food in suspension when they finally came out.

First I tried the usual, upgraded lighting, improved flow, added carbon, and did large water changes. After two+ weeks the cyano was worse than ever.

Then I did two things which worked.

I added polyfilter to the HOB filter. polyfilter supposedly absorbs various compounds that are undesirable in an aquarium. I think this had minimal effect but have no way to know.

The second thing I did was to remove the protein slick on the surface of my water. Every day for ten days I scooped out surface water until the slick was gone. It took a couple of quarts at first, but the last few days it's been only a couple of cups of water removed.

After ten days of doing this I have no visible cyano in the tank.


fwiw,
 
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