The Elegance Coral Project
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Forestal
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I want to help out with the project, and this is something i know about 
imipenem (brand name Primaxin) is usually used for broad spectrum coverage of respiratory infections (people on ventilators). It is a bacteriocidal drug, inhibiting cell wall synthesis with high affinity for penicillin binding proteins. It is an inhibitor of beta lactamase.
Kills: (from PDR)
gram+ aerobes: strep,
gram - aerobes: h.flu, e.coli, citrobacter, pseudomonas (one of big uses in hospitals), enterobacter, actinobacter, aeromonas, pasteurella, proteus
gram + anaerobes: peptostrep, clostridium
gram - anaerobes: fusobacterium and bacteroides.
One drawback froma medical standpoint is that the drug is a salt (can cause fluid overload in patients) so this may impact the use in tanks. It is a combination of several substances (long chemical name), not just a single , so it may have possibilities for toxicity in inverts etc, especially as it can affect kidney function. It is highly soluble in water.
I have access to pdr and other references, and if there are any pharmacists out there they may have more insight.
hope this was helpful.
imipenem (brand name Primaxin) is usually used for broad spectrum coverage of respiratory infections (people on ventilators). It is a bacteriocidal drug, inhibiting cell wall synthesis with high affinity for penicillin binding proteins. It is an inhibitor of beta lactamase.
Kills: (from PDR)
gram+ aerobes: strep,
gram - aerobes: h.flu, e.coli, citrobacter, pseudomonas (one of big uses in hospitals), enterobacter, actinobacter, aeromonas, pasteurella, proteus
gram + anaerobes: peptostrep, clostridium
gram - anaerobes: fusobacterium and bacteroides.
One drawback froma medical standpoint is that the drug is a salt (can cause fluid overload in patients) so this may impact the use in tanks. It is a combination of several substances (long chemical name), not just a single , so it may have possibilities for toxicity in inverts etc, especially as it can affect kidney function. It is highly soluble in water.
I have access to pdr and other references, and if there are any pharmacists out there they may have more insight.
hope this was helpful.
crpeck
Premium Member
I just realized that I never acknowledged all of the donations to this project. In March, John Link sponsored a donation thread which generated a wonderful response. Over $2,000 worth!
Because of privacy issues with PayPal and Reef Central, we did not individually acknowledge those gifts by name unless the donor requested that we do so.
One wonderful gift was from a group that has asked to be acknowledged and I am happy to report it here.
************************** THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! ***********************
*********** Connecticut Area Reef Society ***************
............................... $250 ...............................
Thanks again!
Cathy Peck
Because of privacy issues with PayPal and Reef Central, we did not individually acknowledge those gifts by name unless the donor requested that we do so.
One wonderful gift was from a group that has asked to be acknowledged and I am happy to report it here.
************************** THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! ***********************
*********** Connecticut Area Reef Society ***************
............................... $250 ...............................
Thanks again!
Cathy Peck
zenya
Premium Member
Hi Eric,
I had watched this coral at my local store for about two weeks and it appeared to be healthy(to my uneducated eye that is) so I decided to take a plunge and buy it in hopes that it will remain just that- healthy. I examined the skeleton as carefull as i could and did not see anything wrong, ie. any hitch hikers or any of the white powdery stuff. If it stays healthy for a reasonable time, few month or so,I'll be willing to send it to you if you'd still need it.
The bad part is that I could not find out origins of this coral with any certainty
Here's a pic of it taken moments after placing it in the tank.
Also, it does not look to be a solitary specimen as it looks to be broken off at the base,chipped to be exact.
Anyway, will keep you posted as to how it fares.
PS. The store has two more corals that came in at the same time(2 weeks or so) and both looks very nice. They might still have them for a while as they are marked at $140.00 each :eek1:
I had got a special price on mine, though
Shoks, I just noticed that you are off to Palau and Okinawa...well, try to have some fun if all possible
I had watched this coral at my local store for about two weeks and it appeared to be healthy(to my uneducated eye that is) so I decided to take a plunge and buy it in hopes that it will remain just that- healthy. I examined the skeleton as carefull as i could and did not see anything wrong, ie. any hitch hikers or any of the white powdery stuff. If it stays healthy for a reasonable time, few month or so,I'll be willing to send it to you if you'd still need it.
The bad part is that I could not find out origins of this coral with any certainty
Here's a pic of it taken moments after placing it in the tank.
Also, it does not look to be a solitary specimen as it looks to be broken off at the base,chipped to be exact.
Anyway, will keep you posted as to how it fares.
PS. The store has two more corals that came in at the same time(2 weeks or so) and both looks very nice. They might still have them for a while as they are marked at $140.00 each :eek1:
I had got a special price on mine, though
Shoks, I just noticed that you are off to Palau and Okinawa...well, try to have some fun if all possible
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kevinpo said:
Kevin, very sorry to hear about your loss of such an awesome coral. I remember when you posted this back on 05/31/03 and while reading it at that time immediatly a reg flag went off in my head as I felt that adding a new elegance to the tank that contained your established and healthy elegance of 5 years could lead to big trouble.
:Hi Everyone,
I have a small elegance which seems to be suffering from the same malody that you are currently researching. As per your previous post you have received adequate numbers of sick specimens, so I want to experiment with mine instead of letting it die.
My elegance has never really extended its tentacle past 1" and currently its 1/4" and thick with a prominent oral disc.
I can setup a small system as a treatment tank and want to know if you would like me to test any particular form of treatment (abx/anti-fungal/anti-viral....etc)
I can take a small piece of the coral and look at it with our microbiologist at work if that can help the project.
Let me know if I can do anything to help.
Vijay
I have a small elegance which seems to be suffering from the same malody that you are currently researching. As per your previous post you have received adequate numbers of sick specimens, so I want to experiment with mine instead of letting it die.
My elegance has never really extended its tentacle past 1" and currently its 1/4" and thick with a prominent oral disc.
I can setup a small system as a treatment tank and want to know if you would like me to test any particular form of treatment (abx/anti-fungal/anti-viral....etc)
I can take a small piece of the coral and look at it with our microbiologist at work if that can help the project.
Let me know if I can do anything to help.
Vijay
crpeck
Premium Member
Hi Vijay,
Thanks for the offer ... it's a great idea. Unfortunately Eric is the one who would have to tell you what to try, test or watch for and he is out of the country until mid-July. If the Elegance manages to hang on for another couple of weeks, check back and see if Eric can let you know what would help him.
Thanks for trying! Good luck with your coral.
Cathy
Thanks for the offer ... it's a great idea. Unfortunately Eric is the one who would have to tell you what to try, test or watch for and he is out of the country until mid-July. If the Elegance manages to hang on for another couple of weeks, check back and see if Eric can let you know what would help him.
Thanks for trying! Good luck with your coral.
Cathy
prop-frags
SPS Slave
I just purchased this elegance last night from my LFS:
Looks great for now. I'll keep a very close eye on it and keep this thread updated, if you like.
Looks great for now. I'll keep a very close eye on it and keep this thread updated, if you like.
Where is the proper placement in a tank for an elegance?
Mine is currently in the middle of my tank on the sand (6" dsb) right under the center cross beam and slightly overshadowed by a piece of LR (trying to simulate the semi-covered environment of the sea grass.)
Lighting are 175 MH X 2
Has anyone been able to figure out the proper "environment" for the new strain of elegance?
Mods...If this is in the wrong thread, please feel free to move it.
Vijay
Mine is currently in the middle of my tank on the sand (6" dsb) right under the center cross beam and slightly overshadowed by a piece of LR (trying to simulate the semi-covered environment of the sea grass.)
Lighting are 175 MH X 2
Has anyone been able to figure out the proper "environment" for the new strain of elegance?
Mods...If this is in the wrong thread, please feel free to move it.
Vijay
Elegance
Elegance
Eric
Let me Know if i can help you out with any specimens in regard to locating them in Australia .I have access to collectors that with a twisted arm would be more then willing to help . I can go out with them to ensure the corals meet your collection criteria as well .Ime not sure how you will go getting the neccesary permits they are ever so strict on exports but i can ensure you that if you can make it happen in regard to customs .Ime your man
I can collect and package and fly within the day .No holding facility. Not sure what freight would cost but i can assure very healthy corals as you are aware this condition has never been seen in Australia a advantage in regard to our strict import export laws.
:rollface:
Mia
Ps My baby Elegance has grown a extra mouth and has very firmly calcified to my rockwork .
Elegance
Eric
Let me Know if i can help you out with any specimens in regard to locating them in Australia .I have access to collectors that with a twisted arm would be more then willing to help . I can go out with them to ensure the corals meet your collection criteria as well .Ime not sure how you will go getting the neccesary permits they are ever so strict on exports but i can ensure you that if you can make it happen in regard to customs .Ime your man
I can collect and package and fly within the day .No holding facility. Not sure what freight would cost but i can assure very healthy corals as you are aware this condition has never been seen in Australia a advantage in regard to our strict import export laws.
:rollface:
Mia
Ps My baby Elegance has grown a extra mouth and has very firmly calcified to my rockwork .
Herpervet
New member
Mia,
Isn't "strict" a huge understatement in regards to your wildlife export laws? My limited understanding was that virtually no animals leave Austrailia.
I know for certain that no birds or reptiles are allowed out. It would be a pleasant surprise if you could tell me different as I have been dreaming about a Moloch horridus (Thorny devil) breeding project for years.
Isn't "strict" a huge understatement in regards to your wildlife export laws? My limited understanding was that virtually no animals leave Austrailia.
I know for certain that no birds or reptiles are allowed out. It would be a pleasant surprise if you could tell me different as I have been dreaming about a Moloch horridus (Thorny devil) breeding project for years.
Export
Export
Herpervet
You are very correct but i can see a glimpse that it could be possible for the sake its for research and the person aquiring the material is of valid origin in regard to using the material for scientific cause. Lets say if a regular Joe tried to attempt to export it would be flatly refused without a second thought. I think the only way it could happen is if the right people where aware eg AIMS AUSTRALIAN INSTITUTE MARINE SCIENCE . They would be aware of the correct procedure to follow .With Erics celebrity status if anyone could make it happen he could.
As far as your thorny devils they are common in the Pilbara where i live if i had a dollar for everyone i seen squashed on the road i would be loaded.
Mia
Export
Herpervet
You are very correct but i can see a glimpse that it could be possible for the sake its for research and the person aquiring the material is of valid origin in regard to using the material for scientific cause. Lets say if a regular Joe tried to attempt to export it would be flatly refused without a second thought. I think the only way it could happen is if the right people where aware eg AIMS AUSTRALIAN INSTITUTE MARINE SCIENCE . They would be aware of the correct procedure to follow .With Erics celebrity status if anyone could make it happen he could.
As far as your thorny devils they are common in the Pilbara where i live if i had a dollar for everyone i seen squashed on the road i would be loaded.
Mia
Herpervet
New member
Mia, you sure know how to hurt a guy. Ouch! The visual of my precious "holy grail animal" the thorny devil squashed in the road is too much to handle.
What a cool creature. Here we have the horned lizard or "Horny toad" Classic convergent evolution. Similar thorny appearance but not so pronounced and they too eat ants.
Cool creatures.
A bit of a stray from the thread topic so my apologies to those that may be offended.
What a cool creature. Here we have the horned lizard or "Horny toad" Classic convergent evolution. Similar thorny appearance but not so pronounced and they too eat ants.
Cool creatures.
A bit of a stray from the thread topic so my apologies to those that may be offended.
CoralConnection
New member
Eric,
My business partner and I have started a small propagation business in Sarasota, Fl. We currently import corals from Indonsia as well as propagate captive and wild corals. Currently we have and Elegance that has been in our holding thank for a few months. Never seemed quite healthy when we recieved it.
We have moved it around the tank and find it has made a slight recovery in a more shaded and less turbulent area however the tencles are still quite short. I'd be more than happy to send you a photo, it could be suffering what you discribed.
James
Coral Connection
My business partner and I have started a small propagation business in Sarasota, Fl. We currently import corals from Indonsia as well as propagate captive and wild corals. Currently we have and Elegance that has been in our holding thank for a few months. Never seemed quite healthy when we recieved it.
We have moved it around the tank and find it has made a slight recovery in a more shaded and less turbulent area however the tencles are still quite short. I'd be more than happy to send you a photo, it could be suffering what you discribed.
James
Coral Connection
CoralConnection
New member
Eric,
My business partner and I have started a small propagation business in Sarasota, Fl. We currently import corals from Indonsia as well as propagate captive and wild corals. Currently we have and Elegance that has been in our holding thank for a few months. Never seemed quite healthy when we recieved it.
We have moved it around the tank and find it has made a slight recovery in a more shaded and less turbulent area however the tencles are still quite short. I'd be more than happy to send you a photo, it could be suffering what you discribed.
James
Coral Connection
My business partner and I have started a small propagation business in Sarasota, Fl. We currently import corals from Indonsia as well as propagate captive and wild corals. Currently we have and Elegance that has been in our holding thank for a few months. Never seemed quite healthy when we recieved it.
We have moved it around the tank and find it has made a slight recovery in a more shaded and less turbulent area however the tencles are still quite short. I'd be more than happy to send you a photo, it could be suffering what you discribed.
James
Coral Connection
I also have a sick one-but its been like this for at least 4 months with no further signs of deterioration. It prefers a darker area of the tank-lit with 175wmh 20k. It shows NO skeletal growth for the 5 months we've had it, except There was one area of recession but we put epoxy around it and it stopped the recession and appears to have built up a new "edge" between the flesh and the epoxy.Heres a pic:
Is it unusual for them to live this long like this?
Debbie
Is it unusual for them to live this long like this?
Debbie
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