The Fish Room 500 Redux

pch90265

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If you followed my last thread on this board, then you know that in December of 2004 I left behind a tank that I had poured my efforts into for over a year. My family, and the tank, were victims of circumstance -- a job change that came to fruition over the space of a couple of weeks after 24 months of lobbying for the promotion I eventually received. So, in the space of about eight weeks we sold our house, packed up what we could take with us from our aquatic adventures in California, and we moved to Monument, Colorado (about 2/3 of the way to Colorado Springs from Denver, if you don't know the area.)

Here's a photo of our new house from when I was browsing in early January. It was completed two days before we closed on it in the middle of Jan.

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The house is a "rancher" with a walk-out basement. I can't describe the blessing we feel to have upgraded from a 950 sq ft home in Cali... even if the other house did have a separate building for my fish tank. ;) I'm stoked that we found a home with amazing workmanship in a neighborhood where I don't have to worry about my 3rd grader being sold crank at his elementary school. Everything is custom from the moulding to the cabinets to the light fixtures [eg, the moulding was milled to spec on a saw profile that the finish-carpenter designed himself, not pulled off the shelf at Lowe's]

Aside from the workmanship, I was also really attracted to the layout of the house. Rather than chunking the space down into a bizillion (I believe that is the scientific term...) little rooms, the builder chose to open the floor plan up and build the upstairs and downstairs each around a greatroom. Both are about 35' long, with the greatroom in the basement being about 35' x 15'. Here's a shot of the "family room" downstairs (thanks for posing in the room for scale dad...)

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Just to the right of where my dad is standing in the long shot above is where I'm going to set the tank. It will be opposite the bar, and a sitting area we've put at that end of the room. So, there will be plenty of opportunity to hang out and stare at the tank -- in fact, I expect the family room to get much more use once the tank is down there. :)

Aside from the aesthetics of the location at that end of the room, another factor came into play in putting it there. Immediately behind the wall we've chosen for the tank are a storage closet under the stairs, and our utility room. The utility room is concrete slab [as is the rest of the basement, under the carpet,] has a floor drain, has a water spigot, and houses the main panel for the house. All in all, it's an ideal spot. Here's my rough overlay of the tank's location relative to the wall...

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The wall's width from the stairs to the hallway is 84", but I have to leave a little room to access the furnace inlet... so, I'm looking at a 83" x 33.5" x 25.5" tank from James at Envision. That works out to about 270 Gallons of internal volume. One of the cool coincidences of the location my wife and I agreed to is around the construction of the wall. You'll notice in the pic above the wall changes depth -- by about 3" -- as a result of a load bearing post the builder couldn't move when he rearranged the floor plan to a greatroom concept. So, I'm planning to have James build the tank with an external overflow [about 6"] and use the resulting 3" space between the wall and the rest of the tank for running cords, plumbing, etc.

As readers of my previous thread may remember, my wife is almost as into our tanks as I am into putting them together, so selling her on the idea of getting a tank running wasn't hard. However, there was a little post-move clean up to do. Here's a shot of the Utility Room in its post-move state, and then the recently [last weekend] organized state. I'm planning to put up a 8' tall false wall in front of the white batting you see to act as a moisture barrier and a backing for hanging RO/DI, UV sterilizer, etc... once that's done it will leave me with a roughly 9' x 4' area for my sump, pumps, and skimmer. Depending on how I arrange the area, it will likely also leave me with room to stand up my old 135G corner tank as a refugium that gravity drains directly into the sump.

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Between this area and the tank there is, as mentioned, a closet, and a crawl space. My wife, bless her, has agreed that running a pair of 2" drains and a 1 1/2" return through the closet is an acceptable use of space, so I won't have to kluge together a stand that leaves a big ol' hole for the furnace intake... I just have to make the tank/stand narrow enough that I don't block it. Speaking of stands -- if anybody who checks out this thread knows a good welder in Denver or [preferably] Colorado Springs, let me know. I've decided to follow the current trend and have my stand made of 2" x 2" steel, rather than building my own wooden frame. I'm going to have the cabinet maker who did our house skin the frame with the same Alder wood facing and doors that run throughout the house for that "built-in" look.

I hope to have a nice layout/schematic of my plans posted by Friday... as always, please feel free to comment and critique.

Thank you again to everyone who tagged on to the old thread. I hope this one is equally entertaining to you over time, even though I'm not cutting holes in my roof or pouring 12" concrete piers in place for this one. :rolleyes:

Cheers
--Sean--
 
Once again, I'm along for the ride! Good luck! On the bright side, you'll never need a chiller.
 
or u can burry pipes ourside below the frost line. ( right where the soil is warm enough not to freez e yet always cold)


and that can be a NICE CHILLER.

im along for thed ride aswell. but lets not maek them split the thread by having 1000 im along for the ride post :P see the buttons below the reset form button use them :P
 
Sean,

Congratulations again on the move, the beautiful house and the chance to do another tank! I'm looking forward to this thread. Are you planning to move the load bearing wall back or will part of the tank be obscured?

Bryan
 
On a scale of one to ten, how dissapointed are you that you won't be up at 5am pouring concrete supports for this tank?

Maybe you could make your own rock, just so you have an excuse to mix a wheelbarrow of cement.
 
sweet! I followed your last thread religously.

If you need any help, I'm right down the street in colorado springs so dont hesitate to give me a holler if you need any help!
 
Nice to see you here again, Sean.
Sweet palace you got there:)
What are you doing for lighting?, or did I miss it already?
 
Welcome to Colorado! I would love to live in Monument... one of these days. Good luck with your plans, I'm anxious to see how it turns out.
 
Thanks all for the warm welcome to "CRMRC" Country! I really am stoked to be in Colorado, and to become a member of the [seemingly] active local reef community. I missed the April Colo Springs meeting because of travel, but hope to catch a May or June meet.

Well, here's a REAAAAAALY rough layout of the tank location vs the sump vs the fuge. This is based on the original plans for the house, so some of the dimensions are frustratingly off in this illustration, but it gets the point across. I'll throw this whole thing into Maya (3D software) in the next couple of weekend and get a good couple of renderings done.

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Here's a little better picture of the Utility Room to give an idea of scale... my parents were kind enough to call upon a couple of Air Force Academy Cadets they sponsor to help me move the tanks from the garage to the basement. That was HUGE, because I didn't know how anything would get done otherwise... The sump is a 180G 60" l x 24" w x 32" h tank that James at Envision built for my last rig.

My old 135G tank is going to get a few mods before it goes up on the stand you see in the corner behind it in the photo. The stand is going to get some repairs too, based on move damage. The tank was laid out with two bulkhead-holes up high on the walls of the overflow, so I'm thinking I'll use the bulkheads as part of a Carlson-style surge device and make a surge biotope out of the tank. I think that makes sense especially in light of the fact that I designed the sump taller than wide so it would be able to handle a 75G surge on my California system. More details on that when I have photos and a good elevation side drawing done. My wife says it isn't worth the effort since "no one will see it," but I reminded her that if there is something interesting to see, my son and I will go stare at it even if it means climbing on the roof.

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Cheers,
Sean
 
Oops, almost forgot to give a shout out to Chris!!!

Glad to be back on the board man, thanks for noticing!

I'm not going to open holes in our 14' vaulted ceilings and install solatubes, or anything crazy like that for this tank. So, I'm going to use 250W MH.

The lighting things I'm debating:

*** five vs. six bulbs [five for the visual harmony of an odd number of pendants hanging from the ceiling, six for the ability to go 2:1 -- 10000K:20000K -- ration]
*** SE's are highly unlikely, but... AquaMedic Ocean light vs Aqua Spacelight vs full-on hood with retrofit optics (Luminarc perhaps...) vs ReefOptix IIIs again
*** to supplement with T5's, or not

The "usual" inner monologue of a 21st Century Reef Keeper... vis-a-vis lighting anyway.

I hope to have some bizarre relay questions for you at some point !!! ;) Just not sure what those might be in relation to on this system at this juncture . . .

--SM--
 
I'm gonna recco a combo of metal halide and t5s. They go together like lamb and tuna fish;-) Metal halides in the same 2:1 sequence and then full actinic for the t5s.


Your basement is lookin awefully pretty so as to stay with that same feel I'd probably incorporate and stand and canopy that match all the beautiful molding and cabinitry that already exists down there. I love a nice science project looking tank with the hangin pendants and all but with that basement go with something a bit more classy. In fact do everything the opposite of what I've done :lol:
 
How are you making out on this?

What became of the tank you left in CA? Is it freshwater, or did he tear it down?
 
Hey Steve,

Timely question... I spent Sunday afternoon building a plaform for my corner tank to stand on, and leveling that and a insulated base for the sump. My wife is after me to "get the tank running," so it has become a priority again.

I'm in the Denver airport waiting on a flight for a dive trip out of Santa Barbara as I type this, so it will be a couple of weekends before I'm back at it...

However, I did just get notice that my order for a nice new 1800W heater from Aquatic EcoSystems, and 15 sq ft of neoprene, shipped today. I'm planning to make covers for the sump and the corner tank out of polycarbonate with neoprene gaskets between the tanks and the pc. Since these tanks are going to be in my basement utility room, I want to absolutely minimize evaporation and therefore mold in the rafters... I figure that the MRC Skimmer I'm running on an Iwaki MD-70 and an MD-100 will provide PLENTY of gas exchange for now, and the display tank's 21 sq ft of surface area shouldn't hurt things either... opinions on this concept are very welcome.

As to the old display tank, what became of it is a mystery to me. I'd like to think that there are several dozen beautiful FW fish in it, but who knows...

--SM--
 
Home again, Home again

Home again, Home again

It's amazing how at home I feel plumbing... call me crazy, but there are few things as enjoyable as plumbing a system anew.

So, this weekend I finally carved out time to get the sump and fuge plumbed out. Details follow pic, but the news was pretty good after the effort... on the first fill the only leaks were around a bulkhead in the sump whose 1 1/2" flex PVC outlet had wiggled loose and another bulkhead in the sump whose rubber grommet had slipped out of place!!! A little more work (like scrubbing out the sump :( )when I get home from D.C. this weekend, and we'll be ready for a few hundred # LR!

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To keep maneuverability and maintainability around the tanks as high as possible nearly everything has been plumbed with 1" or 1 1/2" spa flex. You can see lots of it visible in the pic. It isn't pretty, but every line has a true-union ball-valve at both ends so I can disconnect any give line from the system for maintenance without spilling much H2O on the floor. But, when I do, there is a floor drain just out of view at the bottom left of the picture.

The two Iwaki's in-view will power the skimmer and feed the fuge. The smaller pump is an MD-70, and the longer one on the right is an MD-100 which is Tee'd off to the fuge. Immediately to the right of them is a drain line which is run straight to the floor drain. I figure that will beat the heck out of the ole "siphon through a 1/2" PE hose into a home depot 5G bucket" method of extracting water for changes.

The three lines in the bottom left of the pic that run out of the sump are currently all capped off with true-union ball-valves. Two lines are 1 1/2" and one is 1". The 1 1/2" lines will feed the return pump(s) to the display [haven't decided between two alternating flow pumps, or one flow and one closed loop...] and the 1" line will feed the chiller and U/V sterilizers. The heater is not in this photo, but is a 1800W titanium number from aquatic eco systems that will drop directly into the sump. I figure that with no less than 8000 GPH through the sump an immersion heater will have plenty of water contact for doing its job.

Since space is limited in the utility room, I'm also planning to do a "Immersion Quarantine Tank." I'm planning to have James at Envision build a tank that has a broad flange around the top so it can drop inside one of the sump's upper openings, without falling in. Why such madness??? Well, the thing I hate most about running a QT is trying to keep its temperature stable. By keeping the running level of the Immersion Tank at the same level as the Sump, the QT should stay at the same temp as the main system. Hopefully that will keep things simple and keep me motivated to quarantine EVERYTHING. I'll diagram that out sooner than later . . . [i hope :rolleyes: ]
 
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