The Frogfish Files
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uberfugu
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Sounds good. I find fishes will tolerate going to lower salinites faster than
they will raising salinity levels. Either way, doing it slowly is less stressful on the angler.
This guy shoud do fine being fed once every four to eight days (once or twice a week).
I would feed from four to six ghost shrimp (1-2cm) or the equivalent mass in
another feeder product.
IMO, perfect.
BTW - I thought you were in Singapore but now realize you're in Thailand,
apologies.
The fish is fine day two and moving every couple of hours to a new spot even luring occasionally.
Have you ever had issues with hypo before i.e losses not due to illness but actually hypo itself (i realise that to and extent that hypo will help the fish as their bodies dont have to work as hard to osmregulate) but at what point will a lack of salt become detrimental to health??
Why is 1.010 the preferred sg for qt??
Thanks again I have become really attached to this fisha nd would like a success story.
Have you ever had issues with hypo before i.e losses not due to illness but actually hypo itself (i realise that to and extent that hypo will help the fish as their bodies dont have to work as hard to osmregulate) but at what point will a lack of salt become detrimental to health??
Why is 1.010 the preferred sg for qt??
Thanks again I have become really attached to this fisha nd would like a success story.
sorry another question,
i just can understand why feeding 3 or four shrimps twice a week would be better than one or two every other day(what is the scientific thinking behind it). logically i would say feeding large amounts infrequently is worse for the fish than small amounts more often.
Are we to assume that these fish only eat twice a week, or less.
has anyone tried feeding little and often? or are we really that in the dark about these guys and their habits.
i just can understand why feeding 3 or four shrimps twice a week would be better than one or two every other day(what is the scientific thinking behind it). logically i would say feeding large amounts infrequently is worse for the fish than small amounts more often.
Are we to assume that these fish only eat twice a week, or less.
has anyone tried feeding little and often? or are we really that in the dark about these guys and their habits.
uberfugu
New member
I don't know. Without a thorough necropsy it is hard to make that determination.
For example, a newly imported angler, subjected to temperature swings, ammonia levels, and varying water composition (common in the newly collected) may be suffering from a Mycobacteria infection. Its organs are in a compromised state. The stress of a hyposalinity treatment may stress it further. It dies after two days in hypo. Would you say that the hypo treatment or the bacterial infection killed the fish?
I think that, ultimately, it is important that the long term display system is matched to the salinity at the fish's natural habitat. Hyposalinity has been shown to be effective against Crypto and, at the same time it is one of the gentler cures when compared to medications.
Hyposalinity can kill a fish if not done properly. Any change in water parameters will stress a fish. The 4 week/12 ppt protocol is what we feel is the minimum treatment to cure the fish with the likeliest chance of the fish's survival
I follow Steven Pro's excellent article:
Reefkeeping
You're probably right. My fishes are mainly eating one whole fish or shrimp. They tend not to take a partial fish. So they get one a week. My small anglers take live shrimp. It is all I can do to go out and purchase shrimp twice weekly ... so a certain amount of time constraints and laziness factors in to this.
iI bought dome glass shrimp on saturday and have had them in a small tank since saturday they have a small filter and will eat (as i have discovered) almost anything.
I have had the odd mortality but they seem to be thriving so feeding every other day smaller amounts is feasible at the moment perhaps I,ll give it a go, the hypo is complete and down to 1.010 with no probs the tank is at 26 degrees and the swing arm is calibrated to this so I hope it is fairly accurate.
I will start trying the more regular feed soon but this morning it ate 2 medium and two small shrimp in a 10 min period.
I guess I am a little lucky here as the fish are not exposed to such long shipping stress some are caught and in the market here overnight some it takes a little longer and one or two of the dealer have excellent setups and holding tanks, hopefully that stands in my favour.
I have had the odd mortality but they seem to be thriving so feeding every other day smaller amounts is feasible at the moment perhaps I,ll give it a go, the hypo is complete and down to 1.010 with no probs the tank is at 26 degrees and the swing arm is calibrated to this so I hope it is fairly accurate.
I will start trying the more regular feed soon but this morning it ate 2 medium and two small shrimp in a 10 min period.
I guess I am a little lucky here as the fish are not exposed to such long shipping stress some are caught and in the market here overnight some it takes a little longer and one or two of the dealer have excellent setups and holding tanks, hopefully that stands in my favour.
I have been trying to nail down the species but it is hard because of the size and colour. it definatly has spots on the black body with a faint edge to them and the lure is longer than the second spine. which species most often has the white edged fin rays. oh and the small spots that looked like ich are still there as far as i can tell but dont appearto be causing discomfort, oh and the glassshrimp are now berried and thriving in 1.007 salt water.
I also did somthing a little strange, I have it in my lab at work and I was just curious s I mounted a slide of its faecal matter, it was swarming with teardrop shaped flagellates (ciliated) that were highly motile. any idea what they were? good, bad or normal there was no evidence of worm parasites.
I also did somthing a little strange, I have it in my lab at work and I was just curious s I mounted a slide of its faecal matter, it was swarming with teardrop shaped flagellates (ciliated) that were highly motile. any idea what they were? good, bad or normal there was no evidence of worm parasites.
fishes2889
In Memoriam
I saw a 1-1.5 inch clown frogfish at my LFS for 35$. I have some questions:
What size tank do they need to be in and do they put out a great deal of bio-load to the tank. I was thinking something in the 10-20gal range...
Thanks
Steve
What size tank do they need to be in and do they put out a great deal of bio-load to the tank. I was thinking something in the 10-20gal range...
Thanks
Steve
Frogfish Tissues Greatly Needed!
Frogfish Tissues Greatly Needed!
Hello fellow frogfish aficionados -
I'm at the U. of Washington - one of Ted Pietsch's students, and I study these darling creatures. Unfortunately, aquarium husbandry is not part of our research, so uberfugu would still be able to answer questions much better than me on their care. Identification, if possible via picture, I can certainly help out with though.
However, I want to make a plea here - my research project involves forming a molecular phylogeny of the Family Antennariidae (the shallow water frogfishes). I have tissues from every genus except: Allenichthys, Nudiantennarius, and Antennatus. It looks like Antennatus will eventually be possible since uberfugu has posted that they do become relatively available during the fall. I would like to get one before then though, if possible! Allenichthys is a Western Australia species and I have never heard/seen it in the local aquaria trade. Nudiantennarius has only 4 known specimens in collections around the world - so it's extremely rare and it's very doubtful to actually find this one.
Not as important, but I would definitely prefer to include, are the 6 groups in the genus Antennarius. Missing groups are: A. pauciradiatus group (which also inclues A. randalli), and A. biocellatus (only one species in this group).
Tissues are collected with a small fin-clip from the anal fin and stored in absolute ethanol. Both my Lophiocharon trisignatus (Kermit and K2...yes, very creative, I know) have donated tissues without any incidence and Kermit's been here for 6+ months since then. I've even shown him his DNA bands, heh.
Thanks everyone - I really appreciate it. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask...I will answer any/all that I can.
Edit: The picture of the Lophiocharon trisignatus from the Seattle Aquarium did eventually die, also due to unknown reasons. It was a 'she', and she had an attached egg mass soon after she first came in. She is sitting on my shelf now. Verification of males/females carrying egg masses would be appreciated as well. Unfortunately, for this it would mean you frogfish would have to have died, as they are not sexually dimorphic other than Tathicarpus. It is true though that generally, when found in pairs, the male is the smaller of the two. But you cannot look at a single frogfish and guess its sex. If you want to send a frogfish please pm me about possible shipping methods.
Frogfish Tissues Greatly Needed!
Hello fellow frogfish aficionados -
I'm at the U. of Washington - one of Ted Pietsch's students, and I study these darling creatures. Unfortunately, aquarium husbandry is not part of our research, so uberfugu would still be able to answer questions much better than me on their care. Identification, if possible via picture, I can certainly help out with though.
However, I want to make a plea here - my research project involves forming a molecular phylogeny of the Family Antennariidae (the shallow water frogfishes). I have tissues from every genus except: Allenichthys, Nudiantennarius, and Antennatus. It looks like Antennatus will eventually be possible since uberfugu has posted that they do become relatively available during the fall. I would like to get one before then though, if possible! Allenichthys is a Western Australia species and I have never heard/seen it in the local aquaria trade. Nudiantennarius has only 4 known specimens in collections around the world - so it's extremely rare and it's very doubtful to actually find this one.
Not as important, but I would definitely prefer to include, are the 6 groups in the genus Antennarius. Missing groups are: A. pauciradiatus group (which also inclues A. randalli), and A. biocellatus (only one species in this group).
Tissues are collected with a small fin-clip from the anal fin and stored in absolute ethanol. Both my Lophiocharon trisignatus (Kermit and K2...yes, very creative, I know) have donated tissues without any incidence and Kermit's been here for 6+ months since then. I've even shown him his DNA bands, heh.
Thanks everyone - I really appreciate it. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask...I will answer any/all that I can.
Edit: The picture of the Lophiocharon trisignatus from the Seattle Aquarium did eventually die, also due to unknown reasons. It was a 'she', and she had an attached egg mass soon after she first came in. She is sitting on my shelf now. Verification of males/females carrying egg masses would be appreciated as well. Unfortunately, for this it would mean you frogfish would have to have died, as they are not sexually dimorphic other than Tathicarpus. It is true though that generally, when found in pairs, the male is the smaller of the two. But you cannot look at a single frogfish and guess its sex. If you want to send a frogfish please pm me about possible shipping methods.
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Reefcherie
Premium Member
Whoot! The Frogfish Files lives again! Welcome
Thanks for the offer for identification. Someone may take you up on that one day. Good luck w/ your collection of tissue samples.
Thanks for the offer for identification. Someone may take you up on that one day. Good luck w/ your collection of tissue samples.
jman77
New member
fyi guys....
I have a pair of sargs that i'm trying to get rid of
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1143487
I have a pair of sargs that i'm trying to get rid of
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1143487
Reefcherie
Premium Member
What have you heard??
Nope, I haven't heard anything new about diseases in anglerfishes. All that's been in the news lately that I'm aware of are: a friendly competition for the world's smallest vertebrate (competing and winning? being the attached parasitic male - Photocorynus spiniceps), and a new undescribed species.
hobbzz
How do I change this?
Just found this thread and wanted to show you mine. I picked him up yesterday, a black striatus about 3.5-4 inches long.
I'm on page 10 of the first section but have some Q's that need quick answers. I've had anglers before but not for a couple years.
1- Has anyone had any bad experiences with cleaners like snails, hermits, and urchins? I've always kept my other frog with snails and cleaners, but I recently read a thread were someone's frog tried to eat a hermit, shell and all, and died from impaction.
2- The lfs mine was at already had acclimated to frozen foods. I'm going to be soaking them in a vitamin solution and was wondering what everyone is using? I forgot what I used to use.
I'm on page 10 of the first section but have some Q's that need quick answers. I've had anglers before but not for a couple years.
1- Has anyone had any bad experiences with cleaners like snails, hermits, and urchins? I've always kept my other frog with snails and cleaners, but I recently read a thread were someone's frog tried to eat a hermit, shell and all, and died from impaction.
2- The lfs mine was at already had acclimated to frozen foods. I'm going to be soaking them in a vitamin solution and was wondering what everyone is using? I forgot what I used to use.
