The Good The Bad And The Ugly – A Reefkeeper’s Journal
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wicked_NaCl_h2o
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Yeah, what MarinaP says is soo true. At first I started treating them with ich attack..it looked like the ich was going away. NOPE..it came back but even worse than before and then my Chrysopterus stopped eating and were breathing rapidly. Tried cupramine and the very next day(After removing the ich attack of course) they were looking better and eating food like there was no tomorrow.
Here is a picture of my female before cupramine treatmeant.
Now here is both chrysopterus after the treatment.
Here is a picture of my female before cupramine treatmeant.
Now here is both chrysopterus after the treatment.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
I have no intention of making this a long term living arrangement nor do I have the slightest inclination to stop treatments before June first. It's just become very costly to continue WCs like I have been doing. It's easier and more cost effective to just do a 30 gallon WC in the morning on the one system and be done with it.
Once the bottom rack is drilled, I have the option of moving them into those while I bleach the top rack. I just want to make sure all the symptoms are gone before I do that or at the very least, let the ick spots drop off before relocating the fish.
Consistant with your earlier suggestion I will be doing future new arrival quarrantine in a separate room.
Once the bottom rack is drilled, I have the option of moving them into those while I bleach the top rack. I just want to make sure all the symptoms are gone before I do that or at the very least, let the ick spots drop off before relocating the fish.
Consistant with your earlier suggestion I will be doing future new arrival quarrantine in a separate room.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
I was playing with the new camera tonight. I have a lot to learn about cameras. Anyway these were taken from the three separate systems.
These are from the clown rack. As you may be able to tell, the fish's health seems to be improving. They are still getting treated with copper.
These are from the clown rack. As you may be able to tell, the fish's health seems to be improving. They are still getting treated with copper.
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MarinaP
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Walt,
1. I would tape paper over the sides of the tank with sick fish to minimize stress and drop SG in the system to 1.020 - 1.018. Adjust readings of your swing arm hydrometer to the temp of your system. You are welcome to borrow my refractometer, BTW and take a look at the meds that I have. Up airstones gradually, check pH after adding more O2 to the system.
Turn the pots 180 degrees, so the fish can hide. Turn the lights out, turn them on to feed clowns that are eating. Don't even bother with the ones that are not. They can go without food for a week min. Less pollution to the system.
2. Don't be too meticulous about cleaning the glass, syphoning, water changes, etc. Stability and peace for the clowns are more important when they are sick, IMHO.
3. Several fish have torn fins, I would lean towards a bacterial infection going through the system. You are using Furazon, right? Let us know the dosage. And test for ammonia. What test kits are you using?
4. Caps have clamped fins and fem looks like she is full of internal parasites. They are highly neurotic fish, need a lot of privacy. Give them something to hide in, maybe an artificial anemone, or a coral that you can sacrifice from the main system.
5. Don't stress too much. We all have faced disasters. And only learned the hard way.
Best of luck.
1. I would tape paper over the sides of the tank with sick fish to minimize stress and drop SG in the system to 1.020 - 1.018. Adjust readings of your swing arm hydrometer to the temp of your system. You are welcome to borrow my refractometer, BTW and take a look at the meds that I have. Up airstones gradually, check pH after adding more O2 to the system.
Turn the pots 180 degrees, so the fish can hide. Turn the lights out, turn them on to feed clowns that are eating. Don't even bother with the ones that are not. They can go without food for a week min. Less pollution to the system.
2. Don't be too meticulous about cleaning the glass, syphoning, water changes, etc. Stability and peace for the clowns are more important when they are sick, IMHO.
3. Several fish have torn fins, I would lean towards a bacterial infection going through the system. You are using Furazon, right? Let us know the dosage. And test for ammonia. What test kits are you using?
4. Caps have clamped fins and fem looks like she is full of internal parasites. They are highly neurotic fish, need a lot of privacy. Give them something to hide in, maybe an artificial anemone, or a coral that you can sacrifice from the main system.
5. Don't stress too much. We all have faced disasters. And only learned the hard way.
Best of luck.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
I'm pretty sure there are is no bacterial infection. The torn fins are on new pairs (clarkii, frenatus, nigripes and percula) that are still working out their dominance issues....
You're the second person to mention the flowerpot thing. So, I will probably do that.
I woke this morning and there were only a couple ick spots visible on one percula. Hopefully this means the end of this mess. As stated before I will continue the copper treatment for the remainder of May. I was only using nitrofurazone on two pairs. I lost both latz and one polymnus, so I'm not dosing any more of that right now.
I will try to get two of the ten gallons drilled tonight so I can tie them into the system and separate the clarkiis and polymnus and the percs and ocellaris.
I think turning off the lights is a good idea too, if only to stop the aggression for dominance.
I have a very sick Grandmother and may need to go down to NC this weekend to see her.
In this whole ordeal, I cannot believe how well the nigripes have faired. I would consider them the most delicate of the lot.
You're the second person to mention the flowerpot thing. So, I will probably do that.
I woke this morning and there were only a couple ick spots visible on one percula. Hopefully this means the end of this mess. As stated before I will continue the copper treatment for the remainder of May. I was only using nitrofurazone on two pairs. I lost both latz and one polymnus, so I'm not dosing any more of that right now.
I will try to get two of the ten gallons drilled tonight so I can tie them into the system and separate the clarkiis and polymnus and the percs and ocellaris.
I think turning off the lights is a good idea too, if only to stop the aggression for dominance.
I have a very sick Grandmother and may need to go down to NC this weekend to see her.
In this whole ordeal, I cannot believe how well the nigripes have faired. I would consider them the most delicate of the lot.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
I wanted to ask you about this one but forgot to mention it.
What makes you say that? Do you think she looks emanciated or something? I thought you needed to see stringy poop to make that assessment. What is the best course of treatment? I've heard of people giving FW dips where worms came out the fish's eyes but and gills. Sounds pretty gross.
These two have been through a lot with me and have made it over every hurdle. They are wild collected so I suppose it's possible that they would have internal paracites. My number three leuc is captive raised. These two have sentimental value that far exceeds whatever I might have paid for them.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12446858#post12446858 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wicked_NaCl_h2o
Yeah, what MarinaP says is soo true. At first I started treating them with ich attack..it looked like the ich was going away. NOPE..it came back but even worse than before and then my Chrysopterus stopped eating and were breathing rapidly. Tried cupramine and the very next day(After removing the ich attack of course) they were looking better and eating food like there was no tomorrow.
Here is a picture of my female before cupramine treatmeant.
Now here is both chrysopterus after the treatment.
I forgot to mention that those are some hella nice looking bluestripes!
Today's news....
As of today there are no more ick symptoms. I will continue copper treatment until the end of the month just as a precaution.
Also, I may be buying a thiellei I came across.
wicked_NaCl_h2o
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What a cute fish, is this a picture of a juvenile? Thanks on the nice comment. They just got a new fake aquascape.. I figure if I have to look at this tank for the next month it might as well be almost as eye pleasing as the Chrysopterus.
They seem to be more comfortable with this than the pvc pipes.
They seem to be more comfortable with this than the pvc pipes.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
Judging by the size of the thiellei in relation to the algae clip on the bottom left, I would guesstimate it is in the neighborhood of three inches.
I've decided to pair it with A. sandaracinos. I'm pretty sure they are a cross of A. ocellaris and A. sandaracinos. If I can eventually get some babies I'd be one step closer to knowing for sure.
I'll be setting up his (separate) QT tonight.
Gotta run to HD....
I've decided to pair it with A. sandaracinos. I'm pretty sure they are a cross of A. ocellaris and A. sandaracinos. If I can eventually get some babies I'd be one step closer to knowing for sure.
I'll be setting up his (separate) QT tonight.
Gotta run to HD....
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
So, we're in quarrantine and eating pellets. I decided to go ahead and dose with some Formalin III at 1ml/gallon for the first week. This had been working well for me until the ick outbreak. since brook is still my number one fear this seems to be the best course of action.
April540
Premium Member
Walt, have you tried soaking the food with pure garlic oil? It stopped an ich problem I had when I added another tang to my tank, this was a couple of years ago..It only took a couple of days and it was gone. I fed this to them for a couple of months 2 to 4 times a week, just to make sure it didn't come back, It also helps finicky eaters. I was amazed. It never has come back. Anyway, it is worth a try and wont hurt your system at all. I hope you get this taken care of, can't wait to see if you get them breeding for you. Good luck.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
Oh The ick has been gone since Thursday last week... at least there have been no symptoms.
I appreciate the suggestion. I have not tried soaking with garlic but have tried garlic enhanced pellets.
I will be setting up another 100 gallon trough for RBTA propagation soon. I will put the thiellei in that tank with it's mate (A. sandaracinos) shortly thereafter.
I think clownfish pairs look a lot more comfortable in a tank that size and think that may be the key to getting them to start their first spawn. We'll see.
I appreciate the suggestion. I have not tried soaking with garlic but have tried garlic enhanced pellets.
I will be setting up another 100 gallon trough for RBTA propagation soon. I will put the thiellei in that tank with it's mate (A. sandaracinos) shortly thereafter.
I think clownfish pairs look a lot more comfortable in a tank that size and think that may be the key to getting them to start their first spawn. We'll see.
WDLV
Skunk Hybrid Freak
I found some Stychodactyla latexicas at Walgreens yesterday. At $9.99 a piece, I couldn't pass up the chance to try them out.
I've been looking for an anemone that could handle nitrate, ammonia, pH and copper. The ones in the LFS are $15.00 for a 3" version. I DON'T THINK SO!!! So, I decided to give it a whirl. These were sold under the heading "Ginormous Googly Ball." Obviously they didn't know what they had.
Here's what they looked like when I brought them home from the store.
I couldn't believe it, they divided before i could even get them into quarrantine to get rid of any paracites they might have picked up at the LFS.
It only took like two minutes to get them to attached to a rock. Somehow I don't think they'll wander much.
Hopefully they are not a toxic species. I picked a sacrificial lamb to try them out.
I'll have to let you know how that goes....
I've been looking for an anemone that could handle nitrate, ammonia, pH and copper. The ones in the LFS are $15.00 for a 3" version. I DON'T THINK SO!!! So, I decided to give it a whirl. These were sold under the heading "Ginormous Googly Ball." Obviously they didn't know what they had.
Here's what they looked like when I brought them home from the store.
I couldn't believe it, they divided before i could even get them into quarrantine to get rid of any paracites they might have picked up at the LFS.
It only took like two minutes to get them to attached to a rock. Somehow I don't think they'll wander much.
Hopefully they are not a toxic species. I picked a sacrificial lamb to try them out.
I'll have to let you know how that goes....
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