The makings of a pair? My attempt with two Christmas Island Pomacanthus imperator

copps

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Well guys, it's been a while since I've posted, but a lot has gone on and I'm behind on sharing it with you guys! The birth of our daughter a month ago has set me back... :) Anyway, after returning from an excellent MACNA trip, I'm invigorated to share some of my new fishies...

This past spring I finally got a new 292 gallon set up in our kitchen... of course angels would be added to this, among other fish... this tank will be fish only. In the system now for a few months are two Pomacanthus imperator from Christmas Island in the central Pacific Ocean, also known as Kiritimati. While Kiritimati may sound like an exotic Polynesian name, it's actually the local word for Christmas in the language Gilbertese. The "ti" is pronounced like an "s", so essentially Kiritimati is pronounced like Christmas. Another neat note about Christmas is that it is the first populated place to experience the New Year, being just west of the International Dateline. I always find it strange when I return from my yearly trips to Guam in Micronesia on a flight to Hawaii. The flight leaves Guam on say a Saturday, and I get to Hawaii on a Friday! It makes filling out my work timecard fun! Anyway, while the island has only a few thousand people, they are well known for their aquarium fish exports... if you own a flame angel there is a good chance it came from there and if you own a black tang it DID come from there (or at least through there from another one of the Line Islands)... This island is also known for some of the nicest emperor angels in the world... which commonly have deep orange tails compared with the yellows and pale yellows we see from other locations. Of course not all Christmas Island emperors are orange tailed, and orange tailed emperors are found throughout the world, but for some reason we see these from this location most frequently...

With that said there is NO ugly emperor angel, but for an angel nut it is always exciting to see something different, especially when that difference makes the fish more visually appealing, even to my wife. Emperor angels are more widely distributed than any other angelfish species. They range from the Central Pacific to the place where a friend caught these two fish together...

Angel nuts will recognize that other fish as Apolemichthys kingi... collected in Durban South Africa. It's amazing the tropical fish species that range to the Indian Ocean side of South Africa, not too far from the chilly waters that harbor such a high population of Carcharodon carcharias (Hint: Jaws). I have even confirmed with Jack Randall that emperors have waifed to the Hawaiian Islands, which was documented in the 1930s, long before the aquarium industry had these fish traveling through Hawaii. Also with a wide range are coral beauties (Centropyge bispinosa) and Centropyge fisheri (if you go by the recent scientific paper that found the African C. acanthops and Hawaiian C. fisheri, and all relatives in between, to be the same species essentially and genetically identical... just color morphs!).

Anyway, it's well known that the Centropyge and Genicanthus genera are sequential protogynous hermaphrodites (female to male hermaphrodites), and it's generally theorized and believed that the other genera are, although not proven. I keep many of my greater than 25 angels in pairs and harems, and have grown two Pomacanthus chrysurus together for a few years, but I'm excited to see the outcome of this. The best part is that the two are getting along. The fish were well settled into captivity by themselves before I added them together to the system. There is little aggression, although it's clear the adult fish is boss and the juvie gets pushed around a bit, but nothing you wouldn't see in the wild. It is the same behavior I've seen before pairs and harems have formed in my Centropyge.With luck, eventually I'll get a true pair out of the two fish. I'm also interested to see if the smaller fish goes through color transformation normally, or if it is retarded by the presence of an adult.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm forgetting to mention something, and excuse me as always for being verbose!:) I'll shutup now and include some pics...

Here is the adult... about 6-7 inches... relatively small as far as Christmas Island adults go that are imported...





And the juvenile in the four and a half inch range now... just beginning to start the change to adulthood, with what looks like the makings of an orange tail! :)





And lastly the two together...





Copps
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13321512#post13321512 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dones20
very nice and good luck have you ever experienced any of your angel pairs spawn in the system

I have many of my angels spawning nightly... this is not tough to do... and if you have a healthy system and introduce the fish together correctly they WILL spawn... much like clownfish... I need to photo document it better, but here is a shot of a couple of my jocs going at it just before lights out...


Copps
 
This is so inspiring. Makes me want to get a tank dedicated to a pair of Majestics. Can you imagine captive bred Emperors and what they would go for?
 
John, you are SUCH an addict!!! :p


Beautiful! Simply beautiful.... good luck with it. :D
 
Gorgeous fish! Do you think they will spawn in a tank that's only 292g? Definitely keep us updated, if you have any other pics you'd like to share, other angels etc, I'd love to see them!!! Goodluck with your emps!
 
John, old buddy boy, The more I like you, the more I hate you. A Kingii? A pair of xmas emps? I will have to make a trip up to see your arsenal.
 
Thanks guys...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13322291#post13322291 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Gorgeous fish! Do you think they will spawn in a tank that's only 292g? Definitely keep us updated, if you have any other pics you'd like to share, other angels etc, I'd love to see them!!! Goodluck with your emps!

Who knows? That's part of the fun... do a search on my username and you'll find plenty of threads with plenty of angelfish... :)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13322450#post13322450 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmaneyapanda
John, old buddy boy, The more I like you, the more I hate you. A Kingii? A pair of xmas emps? I will have to make a trip up to see your arsenal.

Have you gone mad Jeremy? The kingi is NOT mine... although of course it's on my wish list... Perhaps in the future... I'm always working on something... ;) I've been in touch with both collectors and the owner of the kingi in Kiyoshi Endoh's book... I of course love the Hawaiian bandits and know alot about them in the wild, and as I'm communicating with these South Africans more the kingi not only appear similar, but have similar habits and collection issues in the wild...
 
Amazing John. i will have to get some updated pics of my Juvi Emp from X-mas. Simply stunning. Anything else in with angels? If not bid boy or girl emp. is not going to like someone interupting their romance, j/k. But really that angel will any decent sized fish a run for its money. Whats the footprint of a 292? You must have the most understanding wife ever!!!! Again stunning. That adults skin clarity and smoothness (you know what I mean), rarely if ever is seen in captivity. Tim
 
John- No build thread with the 292? BTW the fish look gorgeous.
Congrats on the fish, and more importantly congrats on the new addition to your family. Enjoy your time with your daughter, they grow way too fast.
 
Copps - Nice to meet you at MACNA (I was the guy with Eric (glassbox-design) wearing the Blue Harbor shirt). The fish look gorgeous. The Apolemichthys kingi is a species that is unfamiliar to me and is gorgeous for sure, I've got a hunch where that specimen ended up....(hint: somewhere in Japan)
 
Copps - great thread! Your stories get better and better! Now after seeing the pics I am upset that I was never able to make it out to Leesburg to see your collection while I was in Reston.

I hope your fish are doing awesome!

I am interested in how your emperors do. If they are ok, I may try the same thing with my Emperor once my 560g goes up.

My bandits are getting along really well and are swimming together. My potters are also hanging out together soley. THey dont go anywhere without each other.
 
Hey John, It was nice talking to you at MACNA as well. I'll be in Durban in November, and do have some dives planned(weather permitting). I hope to bring pack some decent kingi pics from Aliwal Shoals. If you know anyone in the Durban area I can email regarding dive info, let me know! :)

Beautiful Emperor. Glad to see that they are going in a large tank. I learned the hard way that even a 180 is too small for them. :(
 
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