dreaminmel
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FYI, I'm doing my part... no kids for my husband and I. Not that we can't... we just prefer not.
The Oceans pH Level Is Falling
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RichConley
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You must be confused with what the word 'republican' now means.
RichConley
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The problem is that the uncontrolled population growth isnt happening in any of the 1st world nations. Its all in the poor developing nations: India, china, etc. The US population is actually going to drop in the next couple of years as you Baby Boomers start kickin off.
We just keep sending "aid" to these starving 3rd world nations, and they keep reproducing. You dont have kids when you're starving.
Timbor
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All this talk of weaponized dolphins makes me think about an even greater threat that was put forth by one of the greatest thinkers of our time, Jack Handy:
"Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see."
That's the kind of stuff that gives me nightmares. :lol:
Tim
"Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see."
That's the kind of stuff that gives me nightmares. :lol:
Tim
MacnReef
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Hey, I got an idea...lets nuke all of those other countries...with the exception of a few like England...then in a hundred years or so, our great grand-children will have nice vacation spots all over the world...plus we can buy it right after being nuked while it is full of radiation and I bet we could get a good deal.
But really, the reason pH effects our tanks is because the changes occur over a short period of time. 206 years, hell I don't think were aquariums back then...lol A drop of .1pH doesn't concern me, now if this had happened over, lets say, 5 - 10 yrs, yes then maybe I would be concerned.
Earth goes through constant changes...ice age for one and everything seems to come back, maybe different species but eitherway. And someone mentioned the hole in the atmosphere...well, who's to say that hasn't been here since the beginning of time? We haven't always had the equipment we do now to stumble across a hole in the atmosphere.
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RichConley
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MacnReef, my point wasnt to kill off the poor developing nations. My point was that by sending food to areas that can't support themselves, you just increase populations exponentially. When you greatly increase the population of areas that already can't support themselves, you just exacerbate the problems.
Feeding 2 people in somalia/etheopia/etc today just means that in 10 years, 5 or 6 will starve.
If theres 3 people in an area that can only grow enough food to support 2, and you send in aid to keep that 3rd person alive and well fed, they reproduce. Suddenly you've got 6 or 7 people on a plot of land that can only support 2. Pipe in more aid. Now you have 15 people on a plot of land that can support 2. See the problem? Unless you can exponentially increase the amount of aid you give every generation, forever, you're just setting the population up for famine.
Feeding 2 people in somalia/etheopia/etc today just means that in 10 years, 5 or 6 will starve.
If theres 3 people in an area that can only grow enough food to support 2, and you send in aid to keep that 3rd person alive and well fed, they reproduce. Suddenly you've got 6 or 7 people on a plot of land that can only support 2. Pipe in more aid. Now you have 15 people on a plot of land that can support 2. See the problem? Unless you can exponentially increase the amount of aid you give every generation, forever, you're just setting the population up for famine.
Population growth is uncontrolled in the US. Why do we need to be any bigger? Instead of reducing the quality of life why not reduce how many people we have to support.
Anyone in the contry can have as many kids as they want. If I drive an SUV I am bad, but if someone has three kids its ok, even if those three kids and thier kids will require far more resources than I will ever use. Look at the core problem and maybe illegal immigaration won't seem such a good idea.
Some interesting points here: Someone mentioned a "whalephant" earlier....that's kind of what a manatee is.
Ok, so the World is warming. Obviously this isn't the first time we've warmed and cooled. That warm and cooling is why we have the great lakes, that Kansas is a field and not a sea floor, why we have those big trees (redwoods) in California, and on and on.
Someone mentioned that we are in some "mass extinction" time period. That's silly. The Earth has always been in "mass extinction" period.
The people who this is market to is: The same people that the news targets with their fear sound bites. <what you're eating now could kill you....news at 11>
Watch when there isn't much going on during the Summer Months....The News starts back on all of the Man eating Sharks.......Are Shark attacks on the rise? I thought sharks were going extinct.
When did Al Gore stop being a politican and start being a Global Climatologist? He should just stick to inventing the Internet.
Ok, so the World is warming. Obviously this isn't the first time we've warmed and cooled. That warm and cooling is why we have the great lakes, that Kansas is a field and not a sea floor, why we have those big trees (redwoods) in California, and on and on.
Someone mentioned that we are in some "mass extinction" time period. That's silly. The Earth has always been in "mass extinction" period.
The people who this is market to is: The same people that the news targets with their fear sound bites. <what you're eating now could kill you....news at 11>
Watch when there isn't much going on during the Summer Months....The News starts back on all of the Man eating Sharks.......Are Shark attacks on the rise? I thought sharks were going extinct.
When did Al Gore stop being a politican and start being a Global Climatologist? He should just stick to inventing the Internet.
It's sad, but Rich couldn't bemore on target.... However, those people won't live in Famine long. They will raid their neighbors, slaughter everyone, then build homes and plow their new fields. Truth is we did it here, Europeans did it, Egyptians did it, it's why we have wars. We are in one now over oil which is more valuable to us than food. It's a part of being human. We are just so removed from it....I laugh at people who get sick at the sight of blood and hate to think about that cow getting killed in a slaughterhouse......but buy meat at the grocery store in that neat little package....we are so removed from being human.
HippieSmell
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I don't think you understand the extent of warming we are going through. It is not a purely 'natural' fluctuation.
The current mass extinction comment was by me, and it is correct.
http://www.well.com/~davidu/extinction.html
Global warming is targeted towards one half of the media induced fear market. Terrorism is the other half.
Al Gore has been involved in global warming since college, and has written a great book on the subject.
techigirl78
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So I guess we just have to wait for the bird flu? Pandemics are nature's way of killing off a bunch of human beings, correct?
HippieSmell
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The answer lies in economics, and is closely related to the resistance felt towards global warming. The population isn't out of control in the US, if you only count legal and current citizens. The largest growth comes from immigration, mostly from Mexico. Without population growth, economic growth slows down. Nothing is better for economic growth than more people, because people consume goods. It's all about economic growth, NOT economic sustainability. You don't get as many explosive profits in a static economy, and that makes business people sad. You have to remember that the US is top dog in the world power struggle and doesn't want to relinquish its position. We have a 'long hard slog' against the new players on the scene such as China.
RichConley
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The US as a whole, is reproducing MUCH slower than most other countries. We're having much less children per capita than most other countries.
Illegal immigration has nothing to do with it.
From 1980 to 2000, the US population went from 230 million to 275 million.
In the same period, India went from 680 million people to 1.1 billion people.
See the difference? I would not call population uncontrolled in the US.
HippieSmell
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Sure it does, it's just not the whole picture. The US doesn't want to go the way of Europe and Japan with not enough young people to support the economy.
masterqaz
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i dont think we have to worry about reducing standards for we the human race is soon to be on the decline. Cancer, and aids are the big concerns right now and its just getting worse. the human race is due for a mass die off IMO. As much as we would like to believe it we arnt that close to curing cancer or aids, we can mearly slow it down.
But back to the main topic 206 years is a scratch in time.
RobbyG
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You know the most Ironic part of Global Warming and Ozone depletion? At the current rate of Ozone depletion and Temp rise, in a few years maybe 20 - 50 the only people that will be able to go outside and enjoy what's left of the Planet are people of very Dark skin Color! Caucasian, Latinos and Asians will have to stay indoors or wear serious skin protection if they want to go outside.
If you think this is a joke, I suggest you do some reading up on the current situation in Australia. They have the highest skin cancer rate in the world by far, 80% of all cancers in Australia are skin cancer. Australians apply Sun screen in the morning to themselves and their kids as a regular morning ritual. Soon they will have government laws that make it mandatory for all clothing to have UV protection and even Laundry detergents are being made with UV protection.
All of this is only going to help for a very short period as the Ozone situation worsens each year. Just imagine in 20 years what will happen if the summer temps are at 130 and you have a power outage! Not a very comforting thought.
Those third world people that someone said we should nuke are probably going to be the only future inhabitants of this planet and that's Ironic.
If you think this is a joke, I suggest you do some reading up on the current situation in Australia. They have the highest skin cancer rate in the world by far, 80% of all cancers in Australia are skin cancer. Australians apply Sun screen in the morning to themselves and their kids as a regular morning ritual. Soon they will have government laws that make it mandatory for all clothing to have UV protection and even Laundry detergents are being made with UV protection.
All of this is only going to help for a very short period as the Ozone situation worsens each year. Just imagine in 20 years what will happen if the summer temps are at 130 and you have a power outage! Not a very comforting thought.
Those third world people that someone said we should nuke are probably going to be the only future inhabitants of this planet and that's Ironic.
I think you should all stop worrying. You will be relieved to know, I've started caring. Someone asked me today, "So Mike, what do you care about?" and I said "The pH of the oceans". I'm sure that raised the pH alone by .01. If I continue to care the pH of the ocean will be back to normal in no time.
I also realize, as pointed out to me, that even though I walk to work, recycle and practice energy efficiency, since my motivations are economical and not environmental I am actually making things worse. So I vow to change my motivations.
And since I have a good job, and economic prosperity leads to higher energy demands, I am contemplating quitting my job.
I hope everyone who loves the environment will join me and quit their jobs, oh and replace your metal halides with candles at your earliest convenience, wait candles produce CO2, make that lightning bugs. ANd for gods sake stop breathing out all that CO2 are you trying to kill us all! After all, you don't want to just play lip service to this problem right. Because we care.
Mike
I also realize, as pointed out to me, that even though I walk to work, recycle and practice energy efficiency, since my motivations are economical and not environmental I am actually making things worse. So I vow to change my motivations.
And since I have a good job, and economic prosperity leads to higher energy demands, I am contemplating quitting my job.
I hope everyone who loves the environment will join me and quit their jobs, oh and replace your metal halides with candles at your earliest convenience, wait candles produce CO2, make that lightning bugs. ANd for gods sake stop breathing out all that CO2 are you trying to kill us all! After all, you don't want to just play lip service to this problem right. Because we care.
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