HippieSmell
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Do you have anything to actually say? Or, do you just like to type?
The Oceans pH Level Is Falling
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HippieSmell
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You still haven't said anything worthwhile. My guess is you never do.
HippieSmell
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Yes, I do many useful things. My point is that you bring nothing to this discussion. Please do so. I mean, you are a physician, so you must have some intelligent thoughts going through your head. Maybe you're not a physician, hmmm?
physicslord
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Want the thread to close? Then keep argueing!
One time this happened and a bunch of people left the site. It was a worst case scenario all over some stupid barebottom topic so unimportant that I even forgot what the topic was.
One time this happened and a bunch of people left the site. It was a worst case scenario all over some stupid barebottom topic so unimportant that I even forgot what the topic was.
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HippieSmell
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Very true. Say what you will about me wlagarde, I don't care.
Hippie, you sited Nature? I thought you were against blatant propaganda. Nature is a liberal rag. Which is it? Can we use propaganda or not?
Attacked the methodology? I thought this was the peer review process you keep leaning on. Here is a theory that failed peer review yet is used, republished, and mentioned by just about everyone who evangelises this stuff. My guess is that the researcher knew it would fail, that's why he refused to submit his data and his processes. I guess that completely torpedoes just about every arguement you've made this entire thread. Kinda makes you a propagandist.
One person can make a big difference they say. Go get yourself sterilyzed.
Not a yet a fact. Just a theory by a small group of researchers.Not signed onto by your precious "consensus" of scientists. Just because you saw it on NOVA doesn't make it true. They showed string theory too and that is not accepted by physicists yet. It does show that one can print or show anything and if it fits someones beliefs they will "spread the word". BTW, disruption of ocean currents by melting the ice cap causing a rapid severe global ice age is also a minority view. But made a good movie.
Its so easy to make the oil companies the bad guys. As we climb into our cars, turn on our lights, heat our homes, and buy our acrylic protein skimmers. Eat our prepackaged food out of its plastic wrap. Live on the cheap produce and store goods brought to us on oil paved highways by diesel trucks. Then say we should vote our hearts not our wallets as we complain about $3 gas.
Guess what? We could switch to ethanol right now if you guys are willing to pay $5/gallon for fuel. And before you say fine, you'll do it, look at the effect on the economy because of inflation. And then look at the major cause of inflation, hint: oil prices. $5 fuel will consume alot of disposible income. Income from goods and services will go down. More people will be like Hippie, unemployed. Less revenue for the government but more need for social programs. As the ecomomy colapses, you be voting out those tree huggers as fast as you can. And complaining, and throwing a fit, and blaming everyone but yourselves. How dare those oil companies sell products we want at reasonable prices. Line them up with wal-mart and start shootin!
Mike
Attacked the methodology? I thought this was the peer review process you keep leaning on. Here is a theory that failed peer review yet is used, republished, and mentioned by just about everyone who evangelises this stuff. My guess is that the researcher knew it would fail, that's why he refused to submit his data and his processes. I guess that completely torpedoes just about every arguement you've made this entire thread. Kinda makes you a propagandist.
One person can make a big difference they say. Go get yourself sterilyzed.
Not a yet a fact. Just a theory by a small group of researchers.Not signed onto by your precious "consensus" of scientists. Just because you saw it on NOVA doesn't make it true. They showed string theory too and that is not accepted by physicists yet. It does show that one can print or show anything and if it fits someones beliefs they will "spread the word". BTW, disruption of ocean currents by melting the ice cap causing a rapid severe global ice age is also a minority view. But made a good movie.
Its so easy to make the oil companies the bad guys. As we climb into our cars, turn on our lights, heat our homes, and buy our acrylic protein skimmers. Eat our prepackaged food out of its plastic wrap. Live on the cheap produce and store goods brought to us on oil paved highways by diesel trucks. Then say we should vote our hearts not our wallets as we complain about $3 gas.
Guess what? We could switch to ethanol right now if you guys are willing to pay $5/gallon for fuel. And before you say fine, you'll do it, look at the effect on the economy because of inflation. And then look at the major cause of inflation, hint: oil prices. $5 fuel will consume alot of disposible income. Income from goods and services will go down. More people will be like Hippie, unemployed. Less revenue for the government but more need for social programs. As the ecomomy colapses, you be voting out those tree huggers as fast as you can. And complaining, and throwing a fit, and blaming everyone but yourselves. How dare those oil companies sell products we want at reasonable prices. Line them up with wal-mart and start shootin!
Mike
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sherm71tank
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Its so easy to make the oil companies the bad guys. As we climb into our cars, turn on our lights, heat our homes, and buy our acrylic protein skimmers. Eat our prepackaged food out of its plastic wrap. Live on the cheap produce and store goods brought to us on oil paved highways by diesel trucks. Then say we should vote our hearts as we complain about $3 gas.
Guess what? We could switch to ethanol right now it you guys are willing to pay $5/gallon for fuel. And before you say fine, you'll do it, look at the effect on the economy because of inflation. And then look at the major cause of inflation, hint: oil prices. $5 fuel will consume alot of disposible income. Income from goods and services will go down. More people will be like Hippie, unemployed. Less revenue for the government but more need for social programs. As the ecomomy colapses, you be voting out those tree huggers as fast as you can. An complaining, and throwing a fit, and blaming everyone but yourselves. How dare those oil companies sell products we want at reasonable prices. Line them up with wal-mart and start shootin!
Mike [/B][/QUOTE]
I wasn't complaining. Just making a point that if we want change then representation in Washington is where it gets done.
Guess what? We could switch to ethanol right now it you guys are willing to pay $5/gallon for fuel. And before you say fine, you'll do it, look at the effect on the economy because of inflation. And then look at the major cause of inflation, hint: oil prices. $5 fuel will consume alot of disposible income. Income from goods and services will go down. More people will be like Hippie, unemployed. Less revenue for the government but more need for social programs. As the ecomomy colapses, you be voting out those tree huggers as fast as you can. An complaining, and throwing a fit, and blaming everyone but yourselves. How dare those oil companies sell products we want at reasonable prices. Line them up with wal-mart and start shootin!
Mike [/B][/QUOTE]
I wasn't complaining. Just making a point that if we want change then representation in Washington is where it gets done.
I appreciate that Sherm. The point I was trying to make, is that it makes no difference who you vote in. Clinton did less than GWB in his 8 years and he had Algore for a VP. It isn't the oil companies that is stopping it. Its you and me. The people. We want cheap energy and the luxury it provides. We will crucify at the voting booth anyone that gets in the way of that. Martin Sheen and Ed Begley Jr too.
And besides, this is a free nation. Unless you want to go to the environmental equivalent of Nazism and force your beliefs on everyone then representation change won't help. The only thing that will help this issue, if there is an issue, is new technology. The best way to get new technology is to get the politics out of science.
Mike
And besides, this is a free nation. Unless you want to go to the environmental equivalent of Nazism and force your beliefs on everyone then representation change won't help. The only thing that will help this issue, if there is an issue, is new technology. The best way to get new technology is to get the politics out of science.
Mike
The word fools could be considered derogetory. Lets be objective and use more discriptive terms:
Shortsighted
Unable to comprehend beyond a limited variable set
Idealistic
Dogmatic
Ignorant of Science and Scientific Method
Hoodwinked
Self loathing
Human loathing
America blaming beyond reason
Gullible
They are only fools because they are so closed minded about something they really don't fully understand. So they choose leaders from the group to explain it to them and accept the explanation without question. And blindly follow and evangelize the message. Wow! What does that remind you of?
Mike
sherm71tank
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This is exactly why it won't happen until necessity ( the mother of invention ) makes it so.
Kalkbreath
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If Co2 increases have decreased during a time that fossil fuel used doubled..............1970 to 2005.
Why are we still convinced that its a fuel related situation?
Can we not bare to place the blame on the fish and ocean mammal eating third world nations?
America eats only 5% of the worlds ocean biomass.
And supplies 30 % of the worlds Co2 sink through regrowing forests and land plants.
The Oceans biomass is currently increasing via a current plauge of Jelly fish .(Ocean Mammal populations are up as well)
Is it a coincident that the Co2 levels are taking a bit of a down turn as well?
Is blaming the poor fishing villages of the world just not an option ..........even if they are whats been killing the planet?
Why are we still convinced that its a fuel related situation?
Can we not bare to place the blame on the fish and ocean mammal eating third world nations?
America eats only 5% of the worlds ocean biomass.
And supplies 30 % of the worlds Co2 sink through regrowing forests and land plants.
The Oceans biomass is currently increasing via a current plauge of Jelly fish .(Ocean Mammal populations are up as well)
Is it a coincident that the Co2 levels are taking a bit of a down turn as well?
Is blaming the poor fishing villages of the world just not an option ..........even if they are whats been killing the planet?
physicslord
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IMO the biggest barricade to reducing CO2 would be to convince Asia to stop producing so much of it.
I can conceivably see the USA reducing emissions. I cannot see the same for China.
The nations there that are equal or bigger than us in population use coal as their only source of electricity generation. Do you know how many cities the size of New York China has? They've got like 5 New York sized cities and like 5 LA sized ones. If you haven't checked out their skylines lately, you should see them. I googled it the other day and all their cities are starting to look like Hong Kong now.
For a communist society the money is sure rolling in. We are on the road to becoming the next Europe. :lol:
I can conceivably see the USA reducing emissions. I cannot see the same for China.
The nations there that are equal or bigger than us in population use coal as their only source of electricity generation. Do you know how many cities the size of New York China has? They've got like 5 New York sized cities and like 5 LA sized ones. If you haven't checked out their skylines lately, you should see them. I googled it the other day and all their cities are starting to look like Hong Kong now.
For a communist society the money is sure rolling in. We are on the road to becoming the next Europe. :lol:
physicslord
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Just one of us. The doctor who called us fools.
I think everyone will calm down now.
sherm71tank
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Tonight at 9 pm the Discovery Channel has a show: Global Warming What You Need To Know playing.
It's been more than one person in this thread, that's why the general warning instead of a PM to a specific individual. I just don't have the time or inclination to warn mutliple individuals. So everyone, please think twice about what you post before you hit that submit button
HippieSmell
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What's wrong with Nature? You can call it a 'rag' if you want, but at least it's a peer reviewed rag. The sources you rely on can't even get published. And it's not a 'scientific, grant money driven, liberal conspiracy'. There is PLENTY of money out there for massive scientific studies to be conducted in order to dispute GW in a peer reviewed forum. But, that hasn't happened. Why? Because the evidence isn't there. Simple as that. I know that irks you, but prove me wrong.
Also, lets face it, the 'hockey stick' paper is only one piece of evidence. Even if it was proven completely false (which it hasn't been because the overall conclusion is still correct) there are hundreds of other papers to back it up.
You know, just because I don't post my entire life for the world to see doesn't mean my 'online persona' is true. So, you can all stop assuming I'm unemployed. I come across the way I do online on purpose because I think it's funny to be a 'stereotypic hippie', not because I really am. I do have a degree in plant biology though, that's true. But it goes to show how easy it is to attack the messenger if you can't attack the message (I'm thinking of you wlagarde).
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