The Ultimate Eight Foot Softie Reef

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14164506#post14164506 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InsaneClownFish
Thanks guys!

Marc, from above:




Three pumps at work here:

Eheim 1250- Pumps water from the 40 Breeder into the 8 foot tank only
Maxijet 900- Pumps water from the 40 Breeder into the 44 Brute only
MAG 9.5(0r 12)- Pumps water from the 44 Brute into the Cube tank only

Main display only drains into the 40 Breeder
44 Brute only drains into the 40 Breeder
Cube tank ONLY drains into the 44 Brute

If a man leaves Chicago at 9:30 am and three people board a boat in NYC harbor at 4:45, while 7 people in LA board a westbound train going 47 mph east bound...blah nvm :)

:rollface:

PS- If I'm still unclear hop on a plane this weekend- I'll provide the beverages and food, you provide the, "oh!"

Why couldn't you just type that up in the first place? :lol:

Oh, and the answer to the other unfinished question: <b>42</b>
 
I'm not sure if I completely understand everything either... but if one of those pumps in the 40g sump die, couldn't you end up overflowing something?
 
I am only a bit worried about this for ICF. The point of greatest risk is if the return pump to the upstairs tank fails. With the final volume being so high in the Brute in order to make that gravity-drain to the 40 sump, I suspect that to inflow/overflow height difference in the upstairs tank has to be minimal.

If that pump fails, that tank has to stop draining almost immediately. That can be accomplished with careful placement of anti-siphon holes in the feed line and a minimal amount of flowthrough from the pump. With the stated goal for the upstairs tank, I think he can get it.

If all else fails, he can attach an emergency overflow to the Brute in that same closet; a decision I would make, just to be safe.
 
law086 and token - Nope, no accidental overflow is possible, and here's why:

There is approximately 22 gallons of free space in the 40 Breeder sump. There is more than enough space in the 40 Breeder to accommodate when the Eheim return to the main display shuts off.

If the Maxijet supplying water to the Brute shuts off, once again, the 40 Breeder sump ends up halfway full at most.

If the Mag pump(sitting in the Brute) were to shut off, the drain to the 40 Breeder is oversized to handle some extra flow.

Let's examine the possibility that the water drains into the Brute at the rate the overflow drain into the 40 Breeder can't handle.

There is exactly 8 gallons of space in the 44 Brute.
The maximum water that can end up in the Brute from the cube tank, taking into account water from the surface, the volume of water in the overflow, and the water in the lines is conservatively only 5.5 gallons. The Brute can hold that extra volume.

If all 3 pumps failed. The same dynamics exist. There is enough empty volume to hold the excess water.
 
Great...errr I think :p Funny thing is, I work with schizophrenics everyday. Maybe it's rubbing off on me. ;)

The pendants came before I arrived from work yesterday. My fiance helped me hang them tonight:

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Anyone ready for a T5 lit Reef with MH Actinics? :wildone:
 
So I went downstairs to look at the tank this morning. One of my clowns was missing. I searched and searched. I finally broke out a flashlight and found him floating dead underneath the rock work. Unfortunately, I couldn't fish him out.

For some reason, clownfish and I, of late, are not meant to be...:(

On to the very bright news. With this latest loss in mind, I was really curious how my water parameters would read before the lights came on.

SG- 1.025
PH- 8.2
Alk- 5.0-5.5 meg/l
Ammonia- 0
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- 0 :thumbsup:

The duplicate test for Nitrite and Nitrate with half the water volume specified:
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- 0 :thumbsup:

While I am sad over the loss of another clown, I have to say I'm elated by the test results. I was convinced I would at least have low levels of Nitrates.

15 Reef Fish- $190.
Heavy Feedings Twice a Day- $15.
0 Nitrates- Priceless

Someone remind me why I'm not doing SPS again? :D
 
Cause it would grow up to the ceiling and poke you in the feet when you walked around upstairs. :D

Is that Alkalinity measurement correct? 14 - 15.5 dkH? Better stop dosing any pH/Alk buffers for a bit. What is your calcium and magnesium levels?

Sorry about your clownfish. :(
 
melev - Ouch my poor toes!

I've been buffing a touch more than I usually do lately because I cleaned the Brute and plumbing pieces out with vinegar before placing them into use. While I wiped everything down with RO/DI water, I was worried any miniscule amount of vinegar might drop my Ph at night.

I'm using SeaChem test kits, and when I performed the Alk test, a few of the drops of reagent from the pipette mixed with too much air. I counted the drops anyway, so this might account for the discrepancy. Since I knew I was within range, I didn't redo the test. Because the result was a little higher than expected I looked at the SeaChem instructions while I was performing some of the other tests. The instructions state that the reef Alk should be higher than that of NSW. The range they gave for this was quite high. The instructions did not give a "translation" for Dkh, but simply stated that it was unreliable so no modifier was given.

Well that's all well and dandy, but I agree that 5.0 seems a bit high. I've always looked for 3.5meg/l. I'm going to test again as soon as I get home from work in the morning.

I am really embarrassed to say that I don't have a magnesium test, and it would seem that my calcium test was lost in the move. I have to order a ballast and a couple of extra heaters online tonight, and I'm going to add those tests to the order. Even before you mentioned it, I had been meaning to order them tonight as I've been dosing magnesium and find myself very irresponsible in doing so without a test kit. :o

I should say that I have been extremely diligent with dosing magnesium in very low amounts comparative to my water volume.

I've checked out the test kits at the LFS closest to me and most don't have an expiration date. I refuse to buy testers without an expiration date. The ones that do(other brands) are WAY out of whack price wise. This is the main reason I've waited to order them till I needed a larger item as I try to save on any shipping charges where I can.

Marc, do you think it is necessary for me to test for Phosphates at this juncture- or rather, should I be testing for phosphates on a regular basis? Once again, and I hate to harp on the price tag, but phosphate testers always seem to be REALLY pricey.

I just can win with the clowns. At least I figured out the most likely cause. I glanced over at my temperature after I had written my initial post- 69-70 degrees! Yikes. I manually switched on the lights in an attempt to add heat. Thank god everything else was fine when I left for work tonight. The tank is at 73ish right now and slowly rising, after my step son's laser tag party, I ran over and snagged a 200 watt Stealth heater and threw it in the 44 Brute. I'll be ordering two more heaters tonight, and while I didn't want one there; it is just TOO cold up here to not have at least one small heater in the main display. We've had quite a cold spell here in New England, but I'm surprised it got that low. The tank has been holding at around 76 at night and around 78ish during the day. To my knowledge, at no other time has the tank gotten below 75-76 on the coldest nights here.

I just read melev's message from the editor of Reefkeeping magazine just two nights ago on this very subject. :rolleye1:

One problem is that I've been meaning to order at least one more heater since I had to remove one of the faulty Jager heaters, so I've been relying on the two Jager heaters in the sump, the ambient temperature of our home, and the pumps/lights to keep the tank warm.
Letting something go because everything holds steady for awhile is NOT a good idea.
:o

I've been such a proponent of keeping a tank on the cool side since the issues I had with my older 40 Breeder reef and heat. Unfortunately, that philosophy turned around and bit me.

I really like the construction on the MarineLand Visi-Therm "Stealth" heaters. Does anyone have any other suggestions for heaters?

I won't go into my irrational paranoia about having heaters in a plastic garbage can and an acrylic tank.

FL-Joe - Thanks. In my experience with Tangs they can be slow/poor to acclimate. The ones that do acclimate quickly may take some time to get "used" to their new surroundings. Keeping the lights off seems to help this process. The two I have now are grazing, eating nori, and accepting a variety of frozen foods. I've seen my large Lieutenant eat everything from clam to rotifiers from my food mix. Good variety is key.

I really haven't had a setup suitable for tangs in the past, so my experience is very limited to the two I have now, and the reading I have done. I will say this, I've done some extensive reading on tangs, and I have to say there are alot of them on the "no no" list- serious thought needs to go into the right match for your system. Since they can be delicate fish, and prone to a variety of diseases, quarantine if possible, or get them from a very reliable source. The two I purchased came from LiveAquaria.
 
Another reason for the cooling of your tank could be that additional water volume exceeding what the current heaters can handle.

For the Brute, you could create a nice holder for the heater so it never touches the walls. However, it MUST be in an area of flow and not just sit in its own 'envelope' of warmth, because it will sense the temperature and shut off. If you have any kind of powerhead in the barrel, this shouldn't be a problem. You could make an acrylic holder, or perhaps something out of PVC. You could also make a bridge that hangs inside the barrel, and secure the heater to the center so it can't touch the walls.

Glad to know someone read that article. ;) And for those of you that missed it: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2009-01/editor/index.php

For test kits, you have quite a few options. I have quite a mixture going now:

PO4 - Salifert, Elos, D&D
Magnesium - Salifert, Elos (The one Sera kit I bought was a bust)
Alkalinity - Salifert, Tropic Marin, Elos
Calcium - Salifert
Nitrate - API

I think PO4 is very important, and considering how I've had to battle it, it is good to test that one now. Even if you have your LFS or a club member check it for now, since you don't have that kit. The brown dusting on your sand is a visual indicator, but the additional water volume should have diluted it somewhat. If the numbers read very low (.03ppm is the goal), you won't need to test too often. I find myself testing it frequently.

The Alkalinity comment you got from the mfg makes no sense to me. You are testing the alkalinity of the tank, not something you are about to dose. Alk should be lower, from 2.86 to 3.89 (8 to 11 dKH). Calcium Reactor have a higher dKH in the effluent because they are constantly dosing. However, the actual tank dKH is a completely different number. Time to back off the buffering for now, and rinse with RO/DI water to avoid vinegar effects.

Heaters - I'm still using Ebo Jager, but I do have one of those 'unbreakable' heaters by Hydor. So far so good.
 
I awakened one morning to see my tank's temp at 72*, apparently i forgot to switch the surge protector back on that my heaters , auto-topoff and skimmer are plugged into after doing a water change.

i'm glad your tangs are doing good, mine never made it out of the QT
 
Thanks for the insights Marc.

I've just placed an order with Marine Depot, here's the goodies I have coming my way this week:

Galaxy Dual 250w E-Ballast
2 200w Ebo Jager Heaters
1 100w Ebo Jager Heaters
Maxijet 1200

API Calcium Test
SeaChem Phosphate Test
Elos Magnesium Test

I'm curious to try out an Elos test kit and see what all the fuss is about. :)

I currently have two Ebo Jager in service now, so I decided to stick with, in my opinion, the best. The faulty one I removed I had in service for years and was working on the new system until it decided to start sending current into my hand every time I would plug it in. :)

As far as the Stealth heater is concerned. I just read a slew of mixed reviews on them. From what I've read, they are more likely to fail than not. For the obscene price I paid, it is not worth it for me to experiment with. I'll be returning it to the LFS.

I have some left over pvc, so I'll try fiddling around to see what I can come up with for holders.

For some reason, and I know they are apples and oranges, nitrates and phosphates have always stuck in my head as going hand in hand. I should probably start to look at this in a different light.

Marc, if I am reading phosphates, or even if I'm not, would there be any benefit, considering my particular setup, to running a small reactor with Phosban(or similar)?

I awakened one morning to see my tank's temp at 72*, apparently i forgot to switch the surge protector back on that my heaters , auto-topoff and skimmer are plugged into after doing a water change.

Ouch you had a potential triple whammy going on there! :worried:
 
Yup, tested tonight and got 5.0meg/l again. I'm making RO/DI for a water change tonight.

Marc, that had crossed my mind about the added water volume. You're spot on about that as a contributing factor. The temperature is back up to 77-78. My Fiji Leather keeps closing up, so it's either growing or irritated from the water changes. I had to scrape quite a bit of algae tonight. Most likely this is due to the extended light period I've been running to help keep the tank warm until more heaters arrive, and the slow rise in temperature.

The mimic tang is getting pretty bold. He'll follow my hand around while I scrape the acrylic and catch the algae coming off. I wouldn't be surprised if I could hand feed this fish in the future.
I have to be more careful with the credit card. As it gets warn, I've noticed a few very light scratches in the acrylic. I need to contact James, because I still haven't received his famous scrapers.

Our reef club had a great meeting today- albeit with some dicey weather. Here are some of the great Zoa frags I received from Jon and the club raffle:

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I also picked up a frag of pink hammer, frilly pink mushrooms with some cool halimeda and a green tree frag attached(might be nepthea- bright florescent green) with another neat spagetti worm hitch hicker, florescent blue frilly mushroom, superman mushrooms, blue mushrooms, some teal striped shrooms, and an extra kenya tree. Everything looks great! :love2:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14181828#post14181828 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InsaneClownFish
Marc, if I am reading phosphates, or even if I'm not, would there be any benefit, considering my particular setup, to running a small reactor with Phosban(or similar)?

Many people are happy with GFO in a Phosban Reactor. My results were less than ideal, for whatever reason. I followed the guidelines to the "T", but it just never worked as predicted.

So my method involves dosing the tank with a chemical flocculant when the numbers rise, bringing it back down to zero. I've been doing it this way for a long time now. However, it seems like my vodka dosing is finally getting to the point that I may never have to do it again (crossing my fingers and hoping, hoping, hoping....).

The two products that I've used and like: Phosbuster Pro, and Phosphate Control.
 
My order should arrive on Thursday. I'm really curious to see what the reading shakes out at.

I turned off my pumps tonight to try for some top down shots. I noticed my xenia began to pulse for the first time. It does not pulse when the pumps are on. Should I try it in a more moderate flow zone? I'm concerned about disturbing the small carnation coral that it shares a rock with, because the carnation is happy and growing.
 
Xenia don't have to pulse, but it sure is pretty to watch. Perhaps you can enjoy it with your wife during feeding time by killing the pumps.

I don't know how you can change things if the rock is shared with a different coral that likes flow.

Congrats on your new frags. Quite a few pretty zoas, I see. Did you dip the new arrivals?

Having a tang follow you around as you clean the glass is always fun. Mine do the same. Just remember that they do have a scalpel and can cut you quickly. Try to move slowly around a nearby fish to avoid spooking it.

And contact James for your wonder board stuff. ;) If you want, you can get some cutting board material anywhere, and cut it into a small piece. What he gives you is very similar, if not exactly that same. Plus, with it being white, as you scrape you have the white backdrop in your hand which allows you to see algae spots on the walls of the tank. It is very practical.
 
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