The why do Entacmaea quadricolor lose their bubbled tips thread

[traveller7]

Not to dismiss your research, but E. quadricolor is a widely distributed hosting species surviving in a wide array of environments. The evidence available from most observations is anecdotal and just about all we have available to us from captive observations is anecdotal.

You might find this article on some long term captive colonies interesting:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/feature.htm

 

[dalston]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14036808#post14036808 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
Not to dismiss your research, but E. quadricolor is a widely distributed hosting species surviving in a wide array of environments. The evidence available from most observations is anecdotal and just about all we have available to us from captive observations is anecdotal.

You might find this article on some long term captive colonies interesting:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/feature.htm

Thanks for the input! The info I got was from a small article of a divers log, nothing too in depth just what he noticed.

Thanks for the link, what a great read!, seems that the natural sunlight made a difference but like he says, its not definative.
I wonder if there is anyone on here whos tank is lit by natural sunlight and could give their story.....

 

[dragonette]

from what Ive observed and read, Ive come to believe that generally the relaxing of the tentacles come with the comfort of the anemone with his environment. Im not bashing anyone who's anemone has bubbles because I wish mine were.. but it seems that whenever I see a nem in the LFS or a bleached nem in a bad environment the thing is all bubbled up!

I have a gbta with pink tips that I bought about a month ago.. bleached. It was all bubbly in the store. I knew it was bleached, got it for a good price and brought him home to 'fix him up'. Within 2 days all the bubbles were gone, and he started to take food. When he had bubbles he wouldnt take food. Now he is getting darker and bigger every day, but no sign of bubbles

I wish there was a real explanation to this, but I dont think there ever will be a right and wrong answer.
Great looking nems everyone!
Jess

 

[tigereye37]

I have 4 at the moment and mine have varying degrees of bubbleness. Also varying amounts of flow and varying heights in the tank under a 150 halide. the amount of bubbles varies day to day and even throughout the day. I can say for sure though that the day or two after i feed them they will not bubble. I've had them for about a year and I only started feeding them in the last month.

 

[Lmecher]

Mine are all from a split for my brother's rose in 2005. He gave me a clone. Mine grew eneromous, I kept mine in a 37 directly under a 150 MH. Mine had 2 splits I now have 4, none have ever showed bubble tips.
My brother kept his for over a year in a 5 gallon with t5's. His continually split while small and almost always had bubble tips.
In October he gave me one of his small roses and it still shows bubble tips. It split once and is now hosted by a black and white ocellaris, it has only be 2 months but it will be interesting to see if in my care it looses or keeps it's bubbliness. It is hard to believe these anemones are related.

These are roses w/o bubble tips.

Small roses with bubble tips the day after they split, pre hosting.

 

[dalston]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14037793#post14037793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dragonette
from what Ive observed and read, Ive come to believe that generally the relaxing of the tentacles come with the comfort of the anemone with his environment. Im not bashing anyone who's anemone has bubbles because I wish mine were.. but it seems that whenever I see a nem in the LFS or a bleached nem in a bad environment the thing is all bubbled up!

I have a gbta with pink tips that I bought about a month ago.. bleached. It was all bubbly in the store. I knew it was bleached, got it for a good price and brought him home to 'fix him up'. Within 2 days all the bubbles were gone, and he started to take food. When he had bubbles he wouldnt take food. Now he is getting darker and bigger every day, but no sign of bubbles

I wish there was a real explanation to this, but I dont think there ever will be a right and wrong answer.
Great looking nems everyone!
Jess

I also had the same theory as my experience is the same as your's, picked up the BTA in bad condition bubbled up, and since nursing it, its somewhat relaxed. I also thought that the nems you see in the wild are bubbled if not all, most of the time because they are under the constant threat of natural predators on the reef. After thinking that, I came to realize that so many people own unthreatend nems that stay bubbled and stay perfectly happy...so that threw that out of the window :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[aentrop]

In the wild a BTA creates food from light. The bubbles create more surface area that is available to capture light.

If they have trouble getting enough light they will resort to capturing particulates from the water. The best way to do this is to lose the bubbles and sting out.

If your BTA has lost its bubbles its either because it's not getting enough light, or because it has discovered that there is enought food in the water that it can just feed that way.

Capturing whole foods is much easier than maintaining bubbles to catch sunlight...

 

[ClownNut]

most of them will have bubbles when they stressed out.
i am trying to increase the light for my roses see if they will bubbles up again. now they are getting about 340-400 par. i made a spot light(iwasaki 150W 6500K) for them, it can increase the par reading up to 1600. i just need to slowly acclimate them to that light without them moving around.

 

[Lmecher]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14040375#post14040375 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aentrop
In the wild a BTA creates food from light. The bubbles create more surface area that is available to capture light.

If they have trouble getting enough light they will resort to capturing particulates from the water. The best way to do this is to lose the bubbles and sting out.

If your BTA has lost its bubbles its either because it's not getting enough light, or because it has discovered that there is enought food in the water that it can just feed that way.

Capturing whole foods is much easier than maintaining bubbles to catch sunlight...

Impossible mine w/o bubbles sit about 6-8 inches directly under a 150 MH. Mine w/bubbles are midway down beneath T5's. Seems to be the other way around although we shoud chalk it up to a complete mystery. Experts can't solve this one do you think we can?:rollface:

 

[BigJay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14040375#post14040375 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aentrop
In the wild a BTA creates food from light. The bubbles create more surface area that is available to capture light.

If they have trouble getting enough light they will resort to capturing particulates from the water. The best way to do this is to lose the bubbles and sting out.

If your BTA has lost its bubbles its either because it's not getting enough light, or because it has discovered that there is enought food in the water that it can just feed that way.

Capturing whole foods is much easier than maintaining bubbles to catch sunlight...

I thought this might be the case at first, but my nems aren't bubbled up and they receive (measured with a brand new Quantum meter) 680-700 PAR on the rocks they inhabit at the top of my tank. The 180 gallon is lit by 3 X 250 watt 12K halides in lumenmax reflectors, and 240 watts of VHO actinics. They are getting enough light.

Might it have something to do with ultraviolet spectrum (halide) light versus infra-red spectrum (flourescent) light? My GBTA is a split from a friend's tank who ran T5's, and it had bubbled tips from the time I received 4 months ago, until very recently.

Could it also be a "growing up" or "maturity" thing? What's the largest anemone you've seen with bubbled tips? Have you seen any 12-14" across with bubbles? Just curious.

 

[BigJay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14041672#post14041672 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lmecher
Impossible mine w/o bubbles sit about 6-8 inches directly under a 150 MH. Mine w/bubbles are midway down beneath T5's. Seems to be the other way around although we shoud chalk it up to a complete mystery. Experts can't solve this one do you think we can?:rollface:

I still suspect that it has to do with the spectrum and amount of light these animals receive. I suspect that they prefer T5 light to halides. Anyone have bubbled anemones in a tank lit with halides?

 

[Phyxius]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14042235#post14042235 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BigJay
I still suspect that it has to do with the spectrum and amount of light these animals receive. I suspect that they prefer T5 light to halides. Anyone have bubbled anemones in a tank lit with halides?

See first page on my post
3 x 250 watt MH 10K reeflux bulbs (2 mths old) in Lumenarc reflectors with 2 110watt VHO actinic supplements. Anemone sits at top 1/3 of tank where it perched itself and has stayed put. Its also darker than it looks in the pic. I still have not played with the white balance setting on the camera yet.

 

[Henryreef]

Wow that is a beautiful anemone Phyxius!

 

[dalston]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14041672#post14041672 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lmecher
Impossible mine w/o bubbles sit about 6-8 inches directly under a 150 MH. Mine w/bubbles are midway down beneath T5's. Seems to be the other way around although we shoud chalk it up to a complete mystery. Experts can't solve this one do you think we can?:rollface:

I agree here, I don't think it's a case of trying to solve the mystery, its just cool to find out each owners story, methods, and experience

 

[dalston]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14042197#post14042197 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BigJay

Could it also be a "growing up" or "maturity" thing? What's the largest anemone you've seen with bubbled tips? Have you seen any 12-14" across with bubbles? Just curious.

In the wild, I have seen pic's of enormous BTA's with all bubbled tips. In captivity however, its not common...just waiting for those people who do to post their pics :rollface: :rollface:

 

[Big Brother]

This is hardly the place~dc

 

[Lmecher]

:lol:

 

[dalston]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14043969#post14043969 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Big Brother
This is hardly the place~dc

Thank you dc, I think on the note previously to that the discussion has ended.

Bubbled or not they are for sure an interesting species...the mystery continues...