Thoughts from a trip to Vegas...

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So, my trip to Vegas...I went out to visit my folks. Lost my appropriated $20 on the slots, Renee recouped most of her slot losses on the Roulette table... ;)

We did two really cool fish related things. Last time around my brother and I tried fly fishing at Willow Beach, but that was more than a total waste of time.

This time around, the first thing on the list was a trip to see Shark Reef at Mandalay Bay. Coming from the hometown of the Shedd Aquarium, I have to keep everything in perspective. It was interesting to learn that the Bonnethead Sharks on display at Shark Reef were captive bred (if I heard the narration right, born at Shark Reef, 12" long)! Same with all the skates in the "petting pool"!

While I was also impressed to see adult Vlamingii tangs and hordes of adult Sohal tangs, it seemed most were suffering from various degress of HTH/LLE. However, I didn't see this same malady affecting any of the several French Angelfish in the Carribean exhibit, nor any of the HUGE Maculosus Angelfish in with the Tangs and Zebra Sharks (another really cool fish I haven't seen before). Noticing the size and the health of the Macs, I can't help but wonder if they have spawns of these angels every night in their gigantic tanks?! Which of course now has me wondering if I should renew my contacts with the Shedd to discuss the possibility of obtaining fish larvae and eggs to attempt to rear (afterall, they're probably not doing anything with them!).

The other really interesting thing we did was make a trip to Death Valley. My folks were beyond excited to show us the Salt Creek Pupfish (a killie that basically lives in saltwater). Of course, as it turns out there were signs posted all over reading, "Pupfish will not be active in this area until February". We pressed onward, walking the entire boardwalk, only to see the same signs posted throughout. We later found out that the pupfish were "hibernating" or as a website put it, "dormant". I did get to see where the pupfish LIVE, and coinciding with that, I looked 'em up. Turns out the best time to see them is February to May. The website I found made a thought-provoking comment along the lines of, "it's more than unusual to consider that within a half mile hike you are walking past the entire population of a species on the entire planet".

Having actually been there and seen the "only home" this species actually has, and it's ENTIRE HOME at that, that thought-provoking comment is actually rather MIND BLOWING. Seeing that springflow, and seeing that the "river" virtually disappeared, ending up as a stangant puddle/trickle that evaporated by the time the flow reached the parking lot, well, you realize how precarious the existence of some of the earth's biodiversity really is. If that's not an incentive for all of us to be beyond concerned about how our hobby impacts fish in the wild....

So that's my totally off topic ramblings...it's good to be home and waiting for some clownfish to hatch!

Matt
 
sounds like a plan matt im planning on heading back to vegas in 2008 with my wife and her 2 brothers and a few other friends.

glad to have you back and awaiting more pics. now i was reading in another thread so im just wondering if you take a certified iou on the breeding log thing as i have a pair of clowns im trying to get to where you are now
 
Re: Thoughts from a trip to Vegas...

So that's my totally off topic ramblings...

I agree and it belongs in the off topic forum.
Please show some respect to others who peruse this forum and not fill it with totally off topic posts.
 
I did not sense the least bit of disrespect as a reader of this forum, and in fact noticed a couple of referrences that did in fact make the original post much more on topic than yours.

If you would please try to keep your posts on topic, and not waste mine and our fellow community members time, I'm sure it would be appreciated by all.

Back on topic:

I wonder what you'd collect in that big tang/angel tank if you just left your larval collector in there every night. Kinda makes me wonder why we don't see more of that with the big public aquariums and places like Sea World.
 
I've been thinking about that Cuervo...i.e. last time I was at the Shedd there were butterflyfish pairs, tangs galore, and some large Pomacanthus angelfish roaming around (only saw 1 queen angel in the main tank). For an operation like the Shedd, it would seem that space and water would be the big obstacles to even attempting to rear something. Of course, I think if you ran some sort of egg collector on a tank like that, you might get a complete hodgepodge, or maybe eggs just form instant "food" for the tankmates....

Of course, a place like the Shedd tends to have many SMALLER tanks (of course, smaller may mean 1000 to 5000 gallons) that no doubt see some breeding activity as well...

HMM.

Matt
 
Maybe not instant food, but I'll bet they have some insane filtration going on in there. If you could just shut off the filtration and run your egg collector every night for a few hours though... It would be a hodgepodge, but that won't necessarily hurt anything.
 
Hmm, a discussion of the role that larger privately held and public aquariums could play in captive breeding efforts combined with a commentary on vanishing wild species and habitats... seems pretty "on topic" to me :D You go Matt ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8733040#post8733040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by keefsama2003
sounds like a plan matt im planning on heading back to vegas in 2008 with my wife and her 2 brothers and a few other friends.

Make sure to make the 2 hour drive to Death Valley and go see the Salt Creek Pupfish...of course plan the trip for Feb-May so they're actually THERE! ;) I'd say March (spring break time?) might be a really good time to go. It was a high of 75F in death valley (bring LOTS of water though, 'cause it was beyond dehydrating).

Matt
 
Public aquaria requires a grant ie money from outside sources to breed anything, basically the researcher submits a proposal searching for funds. They had a seahorse breeding program sponsored by I forgot, besides Seagrant you will be surprised wich companies sponsor programs like that.

Most institutions run with a skeleton crew and a lots of volunteers to fill other positions.


I miss those weekly walks from navy pier to the Sheed...

Matt can post whatever the (beep) he wants

Ed
 
David, Ed, et. al., thanks for stickin' up for the little ramblin' guy ;)

I failed to mention the extremely interesting Moon Jellyfish exhibit. I wonder if they're rearing these at Shark Reef as well, or if the Moon's simply have a long enough lifespan that they can be recollected as needed....

Matt
 
Possibly several kilos of pelagic eggs are released every night in public Aquaria´s huge "Reef Tanks".I always wondered (and asked every public Aquarium people I met)how come nobody cared and tried to collect/work with this incredible asset!:confused:
They say something about the technical/engineering problems with such sheer volumes running into the filters.
Steve Walker used sponge filters to collect Spadefish eggs.Can be checked at the BR site.
 
Luis tu hablas de el de Tulsa Zoo?

I think your best bet to answer that question is to get someone form a public aquaria to shed some light. Contac Jayhemdal or Justjoe ( who is the only aquarium who breeds fish as part of the dayly routine) they will reply.

Ed
 
im going to stop by atlantis and talk to joe see what he says about this.

maybe i can get a few clownfish eggs to try and raise if he has a few spare eggs laying around.
lol

either way it is a good idea.
 
I've seen the Spadefish report before..interesting stuff. Seeing that type of stuff means that sure, it is possible in some respects. I wonder if the Shedd has anything on display in the smaller tanks worth trying for...probably should personally nail down the mandarins first...that gives me ammo going forward ;)

Matt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8735310#post8735310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
Luis tu hablas de el de Tulsa Zoo?

Ed
Si,lo conoci cuando era junior en el San Antonio Zoo...
Breeding neon gobies...it was fun...Many years ago...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8735390#post8735390 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwp
...probably should personally nail down the mandarins first...that gives me ammo going forward ;)

Matt

An empty tank would also be an asset.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8735319#post8735319 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by keefsama2003
im going to stop by atlantis and talk to joe see what he says about this.

Keith,

Todd is the one you want to talk to. He's the one doing the fishbreeding at Atlantis ;)
 
Matt,

I've actually seen the desert pupfish! They are cute little buggers! One of my professors was really in to them and talked about them all the time. Then, in another class we were doing field studies in Joshua Tree (near Death Valley) and we went and checked out the pupfish. I only recall seeing one or two but it was pretty cool!

Thanks for sharing!

Christine
 
Todd is the one you want to talk to. He's the one doing the fishbreeding at Atlantis

I wasn't sure what was cool but since the cat's already out of the bag... I say yes contact Todd. I was fortunate enough to meet him back in my seahorse days and got the full tour, " behind the scenes " rocks :smokin: Not to say the displays at Atlantis are less than fantastic but the back rooms are where it's at :D

I think my favorite display is the Carribean tropicals tank with fish they collect localy when the wind blows just right. ;) A perfect example of collecting from nature with zero impact, not like those fish are gonna last long in LI waters :rolleyes:
 
yeah i have been behind the scenes a few times and it is great there.
im going to see if todd has any free time and some tips for a newb
 
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