Thumbs up for Ozone!

[mikeguerrero]

Steve,

When I first started ozone use with the controller my ORP climbed just like yours...

It wasn't until months later that it dropped significantly but over time; odd thing is that the probe is on target and not bad...

Just that I cannot pinpoint why she reads the low numbers; that's why I made it a point to mention randys findings...

How long have you been running Ozone, did you just start??

MG

 

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7371756#post7371756 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mikeguerrero
Steve,

When I first started ozone use with the controller my ORP climbed just like yours...

It wasn't until months later that it dropped significantly but over time; odd thing is that the probe is on target and not bad...

Just that I cannot pinpoint why she reads the low numbers; that's why I made it a point to mention randys findings...

How long have you been running Ozone, did you just start??

MG

I had run my old ozonizer for 7 years but it die on me about two years a go.
I got the new unit now running for over two weeks i saw a little difference with the new ozonizer and the old.
My ORP was always 330 to 350Mv with my old unit running at 100MG of ozone .
It is no difference now with the new unit the only thing is the Milwaukee controller is much more stable than the old Red sea one but that one was build in to the unit. i'm going to use ozone to full capacity for two more weeks and then i will start to drop the ozone dosing lower a little at the time to see where is the sweet spot . You see at 100MG of ozone dosing i get almost no dark nog at all i get just is much nog but is no color to it at all my skimmer foam is totally light almost light oak color but still stinks like hell, i still said the controller was not need in my set up but i just need to be sure my animals was not in any danger .
If you asked me if i'm completely satisfied with the ozone dosing i said YES But it is PITA to have to do more chores like clean the probe and recharge the air dry media every 10 days now , probably every week in the summer time .
But it is much better than running carbon trying to keep the water clear.
As for your ORP getting lower it is no way to test the ozone production from your unit it may just slow down on you some i saw that with my old unit it slowly degrade and at the end was nothing there .
It was 200MG unit so i had enough slack to it .
Smelling ozone from the output hose it is not going to tell you much at all.
Is any one around you that have a different ozonizer you can borrow so you can hook it up temporary to see if yours working correctly?

 

[mikeguerrero]

Thanks for the reply Steve, I did disconnect the ozone unit and I blew through it to see if it's clogged and it's not at all; blew right through without any resistance whatsoever...

I'm going to take it apart tonight and just clean it to make sure it's okay; since it's a sanders unit it is user friendly for cleaning...

MG

 

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7373085#post7373085 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mikeguerrero
Thanks for the reply Steve, I did disconnect the ozone unit and I blew through it to see if it's clogged and it's not at all; blew right through without any resistance whatsoever...

I'm going to take it apart tonight and just clean it to make sure it's okay; since it's a sanders unit it is user friendly for cleaning...

MG

I don't think blowing right through without any resistance will tell you anything. I think you need to do what you said .
I never clean my old RS unit may be that what was wrong with it. Red sea now said i can run some ro water in to the in nipple in the back of the ozonizer and it is all you need to do with my unit to clean it , also they said if i use a air dryer is most likely the ozonizer never need cleaning.

 

[jay24k]

I haven't run my ozone because I've been so busy I haven't hooked it back up since my beads were exhausted.

I haven't noticed my water clarity change at all from how it was prior. My skimmate production has tripled. I wonder why these are like this now that I'm not running it. I noticed my skimmate production dropped immensly when running ozone at least for me.

 

[mikeguerrero]

Anyone know how to clean a Sanders Ozone unit? I read my instructions and it said to remove the four small screws, then lift the cap off and with a clean warm cloth clean it...

Well I removed the four screws and the metal cap came off and I was expecting to see glass, but saw instead just an opaque circle there was nothing to clean...

So I just wiped it down confused whether I missed something. Does anyone know if after the cap is removed the top should be see through glass?

Mine was no glass to be seen just two small circles that show where the air enters and where it leaves.

I closed everything back up and reconnected it to my system.

I removed the Azoo check valve that was connected on the exit tubbing; apparently pressure had built up here and ozone was having a hard time entering my skimmer.

I unscrewed the top of my skimmer and smelled while the ozone was full blast and couldn't pick up any ozone smell.

That's when I removed the check valve and smelled the tube while ozone was pumping and I almost fell back, that stuff is really strong.

As I reconnected without the checkvalve, I could then smell Ozone like before.

I've noticed a climb back in ORP since turning back the ozone unit without the check valve. It's not climbing as fast as before but it is climbing.

I'm wondering if during the increase in back pressure the ozone unit got dirty?

That is why I need to know what a Sanders unit looks like when you unscrew the four nuts. Can anyone guide me here?

Thanks,

Mike G

 

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Mike,
why you need the check valve?
I use nothing just be sure the ozonizer is above the skimmer .
I set my up this way.
I took this picture about 10 am today the ORP still climing up to almost 400Mv now.

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7370692#post7370692 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zoom
I don't know what you mean by "I ran like that" I have a large Deltec skimmer with two eheim pumps I get plenty of air to the skimmer with or without the ozonizer pump running i use a 1/4 Tee on the top where the air valves was it is a strait run so it is no restriction.The skimmer nog volume is almost 1/4 that what was but i know the ozone is burning everything up before they get to the skimmer cup.
If you like to see some pictures of the set up i get some for you tonight.
And this morning the ORP was 365.Mv.

What I was suggesting is that the skimmer is pulling less air than before because ozonizers are a huge air restriction.

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7375363#post7375363 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mikeguerrero
Anyone know how to clean a Sanders Ozone unit? I read my instructions and it said to remove the four small screws, then lift the cap off and with a clean warm cloth clean it...

Well I removed the four screws and the metal cap came off and I was expecting to see glass, but saw instead just an opaque circle there was nothing to clean...

So I just wiped it down confused whether I missed something. Does anyone know if after the cap is removed the top should be see through glass?

Mine was no glass to be seen just two small circles that show where the air enters and where it leaves.

I closed everything back up and reconnected it to my system.

I removed the Azoo check valve that was connected on the exit tubbing; apparently pressure had built up here and ozone was having a hard time entering my skimmer.

I unscrewed the top of my skimmer and smelled while the ozone was full blast and couldn't pick up any ozone smell.

That's when I removed the check valve and smelled the tube while ozone was pumping and I almost fell back, that stuff is really strong.

As I reconnected without the checkvalve, I could then smell Ozone like before.

I've noticed a climb back in ORP since turning back the ozone unit without the check valve. It's not climbing as fast as before but it is climbing.

I'm wondering if during the increase in back pressure the ozone unit got dirty?

That is why I need to know what a Sanders unit looks like when you unscrew the four nuts. Can anyone guide me here?

Thanks,

Mike G

It sounds exactly like mine Mike. Just the white opaque panel. Mine had some grunge around the holes, that I cleaned off.

Sounds like a non ozone safe checkvalve was your issue.

 

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7376750#post7376750 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
What I was suggesting is that the skimmer is pulling less air than before because ozonizers are a huge air restriction.

Where you see air restriction ?

 

[RichConley]

Ok, theres confusion here. You initially said you were runnign it straight to the ozone generator, with no airpump. Thats not straight to the ozone generator.

Also, if theres no airpump there, you're not getting much of the ozone, which is why you've needed to run so much.

 

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7376872#post7376872 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Ok, theres confusion here. You initially said you were runnign it straight to the ozone generator, with no airpump. Thats not straight to the ozone generator.

Also, if theres no airpump there, you're not getting much of the ozone, which is why you've needed to run so much.

Did you see the pictures above?
You can see the whole set up Rich everything is there.

 

[Zoom]

Here is some more pictures .
I split my ozone in two with a Y so i can pump 50Mg of ozone in each pump and i use the same length of hose so the pumps get the same amount of ozone. this is just a test i will lower my Ozone production soon.

 

[RichConley]

right, I saw the pictures, but thats not what you were explainging before the pictures.


So I assume theres an airpump pushing the ozone, right?

 

[Zoom]

Didnt see you had an air pump. So, as long as you have air pumping through the ozonizer (but less air than your skimmer can suck) you shoudl be fine. Plenty of ozone, none escaping at the T.

Rich you asked me about this two weeks a go .

 

[RichConley]

Did I? Memory isnt what I used to be. Next time just tell me to bugger off

 

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7377286#post7377286 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Did I? Memory isnt what I used to be. Next time just tell me to bugger off

:lol: :lol: :lol: same here Rich.
Yes it is a pump pushing a good amount of air in to the skimmer Tee's but if i put my finger over the Tee i can still see there is fresh air going in the to tee and the skimmer . So no ozone escape out from the Tee's .
is working good so far and this morning the unit stop for about two hours the ORP was 405 MV .
I 'm going to use 100Mg of ozone for a week and slowly i will lower it to about 50Mg.
That is only 25Mg for each pump that will not eat up and skimmer part i "Hope". I took it easy adding ozone about to week to get to full 100Mg of ozone and the water is crystal clear now as i get lower with the amount of ozone i will keep my eye on the tank water clarity to see how much ozone will need to keep it nice and clear.

 

[mikeguerrero]

Zoom,

If you place your finger over the T fitting, you should feel a vaccum. Air cannot escape from a vaccum; cannot remember the equation from physics but has so much to do with priciples of a black whole....

I get a really strong vaccum when I cover the T fitting.

MG

 

[poknsnok]

mike... I had the same problem you had with my ORP falling... I baked beads and all is back to normal.
I see where lots of the Deltec owners have removed the air tap. I tried and mine overflows like mad. I use a mixing chamber though and have no air starvation. I see by your pics you use the "t" method. maybe the "t" is restricting your air intake just enough to keep the skimmer from going bonkers and so it runs fairly normally. I have a "t" and may try that way to see how the skimmer does

 

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poknsnok,
Is all depends the skimmer you have the 851 goes bonkers without the air valve it is only 30" high and 8" tube Diameter.
But my 902 has no problem with the valves removed it is a larger skimmer 39" high with a tube Diameter of 10" because the height of the skimmer and the extra water in there it puts some back pressure to the pumps and they don't push as much air but the contact time is outstanding so no problem with the 902 .
But you can still see if you can get the tee to restrict some of the air but i don't think so.


Mike,
yes i get vacuum at the tee i never had any ozone smell in the closed up house of mine i use two small bags of carbon on the top of the lid and that do the trick.
As for the outflow of the skimmer i have a bag on there to catch the bubbles so i check for as ozone residue and have none in the sump even right at the skimmer outflow water none.
I even check at the skimmer top where the nog start to collect and was little even with dosing 100Mg , so the ozone breaks down very quickly in the skimmer almost seconds.
How the no2 remover is working?