Time to make the switch to T5 ... any help?

platax88

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As some of you know i am in the process of going in-wall and having a fishroom/office. The small room is getting hot when the MH are on (3x250) so i think that it is time to make the switch to T5. This will be for a 180gal (72"x24"x24") any suggestions. Also, i am tring to keep cost down so diy is probably the best option.

Please let me know if there are any setup for sale. Also, what bulb combo do you recommend?

Thanks all!

Jack
 
Depending on what you want to keep, I would recommend going with the 60" bulbs (80W) and just stager them back and forth. This will provide areas of slightly lower light on the ends of the tank, which actually can be a good thing if you are keeping anything that doesn't need a ton of light. It will be the most economical option for sure, since the price of retros only changes by $10 or $20 bucks for every foot of bulb you add (i.e., 3 x 5' retros will cost you a LOT less than 6 x 3' retros). Also, the longer bulbs produce more light per inch of bulb, so you might be getting less light on the ends of the tank, but you'll have more in the center.

The next thing to think about is the number of bulbs you need (front to back). I would say, get as many as you can over the 24" you have. I know from experience that they changed the width of the TEK reflectors and you can only fit 6 over a 24" space (without bending them). Of course, the reflectors are much better than they used to be, but the point stands. With a 24" deep tank and as long as you get the lights close to the water, I honestly think 6 bulbs would be fine. Cut down your light's distance to the water and you'll get more PAR into the tank for less money...

My only recommendation on bulb combos is to buy a couple of extras of each and be prepared to experiment. Then, just save what you don't use and put them in later. I like the Geismann bulbs for the most part and I prefer a little bluer tank (at least, I hate any yellow tinge, so although I don't like a really blue looking tank I stay away from lower K bulbs). I'd go with Aquablue Plus (which is a pretty crisp white color) and Actinic Plus (a fairly blue actinic). I would also put in 1 pure actinic, which is fairly purple and will give really make the colors pop.

Honestly, my favorite actinic for making colors pop is the UV Lighting Super Actinic, but I had a couple of bad bulbs from them around a year ago and from what I read at the time they were having a lot of trouble (in other words, do your research). Mine just lost output over the course of maybe 2 months until you literally could not tell they were lit if the other lights were on.
 
Thanks Brian for taking the time to submit such a detailed response.... you always do!

So you honestly think that 6x80wat would be enough? That would save some mula. Any suggestions on where to get a retrofit, or should i just buy all the components seperately? where did you get the lighting you had on that big tank?

Thanks again!
 
Thanks James ... What do you guys think of this:

3 Workhorse 7 ballasts (2X80watt) = $105
6 Tek Reflectors = $150
6 Geismann bulbs = $210
6 pair endcaps = $60
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Total = $525 for 6x80 ...

Wow, at first i though that T5 were more economical than MH. I am starting to rethink this. Anyone know of a more economical approach? Are there any available for sale in the club?

Thanks all
 
check the for sale forums. as far as cost, yeah they are about the same in startup costs (on bigger tanks they can actually be more) but the savings come down the road, in longer useful bulb life, cheaper bulb replacement, lower electrical usage, & less heat in the tank (ie not having to run an expensive electricity hog chiller)
 
all depends on what you are wanting to keep really. I do fine with what I have under 4 x 48" x 54 watt T5HOs on a 72" tank. It leaves some darker areas on the side but I got the fixture for $100 and new bulbs cost about $85
 
FWIW, my tank is 24" deep and I can very, very easily keep a happy crocea on the sandbed with my 4 T5s. :)

I agree that 6x60 would probably be more than enough to do what you need to. You could use IceCap reflectors and get 8 bulbs over your tank if you wanted to, though. It would be up to you. :)

For bulbs, the Geisseman bulbs seem to be pretty awesome... I will probably get some when I replace (probably this summer), however I have to highly recommend the ATI Blue Plus... absolutely AWESOME blue bulb!

Brandon
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14370234#post14370234 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by platax88
What do you guys think of this:

3 Workhorse 7 ballasts (2X80watt) = $105
6 Tek Reflectors = $150
6 Geismann bulbs = $210
6 pair endcaps = $60

I think it adds up fast :)

Lighting and associated costs are most definitely the number 1 obstacle for new reefers in my opinion... especially because so many of them (us?) do not buy enough to start with, buy the wrong thing, and have to upgrade because of it.

I had 8 x 80W bulbs staggered on my 270, which is a 7' tank. By staggering them, I had 2' on each side that only had 4 bulbs over them with 8 in the middle. I had my lights mounted about 2.5" from the water surface. Remember, this is a 30" deep tank. With my highest rocks about 10" under the surface, I had to be very careful about what I kept on the highest rocks in the middle. And I couldn't keep a brain in the center on the bottom (barebottom, so roughly 32.5" from the lights) because the lights kept trying to bleach it.

That's my whole story. I'm not a firm believer in the "must have more light" philosophy and I think you could easily keep SPS with 6 bulbs... especially if you like a whiter looking tank (you can get more high PAR, low K bulbs in if you have less on the actinic side). The advantage to the wider reflectors is that they do a much better job of getting light around the bulbs and reflecting it adequately into the tank. So, you lose in extra bulb output but you gain back quite a bit in taking advantage of the light you are making.

I don't want to be responsible for swaying you too much (because then you can blame me if you don't like what you do :)), but I will say these things:

If you are going for icecaps there is NO WAY I would ever put more than 6 bulbs. Of course, I wouldn't go for icecaps either because they are more expensive at the outset (which can only be offset if you buy fewer of them) and I think it defeats some of the main perks of T5 lighting (better bulb life and less heat...which cost you more in long-term operating costs). I'm a grad student... you have a real job... so maybe this matters less to you.

You can probably find halides for a really good deal right now because there are a lot of people selling set-ups and/or switching to T5's as the electric company jacks the price. I don't advocate this approach, but you can get some nice shimmer lines and it's very well possible that you can get in for WAY cheaper, in which case some of the increased operating costs are immediately offset. Of course, depending on what pumps you're using and how much evaporation you're willing to tolerate, you're almost guaranteed to need a chiller then... so add a few hundred for that.

Did I say a lot of people are selling tanks... yeah... so you could always be even more patient (I know you've been putting this thing together for SO long) and find some used T5 retros. Of course, 5' is kind of an uncommon size, you'd have much better luck finding 4' ones, so start trolling the selling forums.

If you start with 6 and mount your current bulbs under the mindset that you might want to add another set in there some time (or make them easy enough to re-mount and re-space), you can always add another retro if you find a good deal on a used set or after you've saved up for a couple of months. I am quite sure that 6 bulbs will be enough to at least keep your SPS alive for a couple of months, if not colored up and looking excellent. In order to get mine in a 24" space (not knowing they had redesigned the reflectors since I last bought them), I had to bend each reflectors about 1/2". I don't suggest that, but it does work if you go TEK and then decide you would rather have 8 (or just buy different reflectors to start).
 
Thanks Brian!

I am taking your advice ... and wont blame you in the future :)

I found a great deal on a 6x80 watt retro and i think i will go with the following bulbs:

3 aquablue
2 blue
1 pure actinic

What do you think? I like more of a blue color ... i am switching from 14k bulbs.

Now thinking about it, i may not even be able to add 8 bulbs. My tank is built in-wall flush with the sheetrock and there is a header beam right over it the thickness of a 2x4, so 3.5". That leaves me with 21.5" of space over the tank. Of course, being in a fish room and without a canopy, the rig could always just hang a bit past the back of the tank if more space is needed for the 6 bulbs.

I am excited to make the switch! I think i will make a frame out of 1x2" and attach that to the pulley system that i am using. What do you think?
 
Don't use Par as a guide to T5 lighting for they don't rate very high on the scale vs Halides. I tested brand new Geisseman bulbs with the club Par Meter and they only got around 700 3in off the bulb. Compared to 250w 12k reflux which got around 1800 or so! That being said I run 4 5' 80w t5 and 3 250w Halides Two t5 then 2 more then 1 H then 2 then 3 and the same in reverse. When all 4 t5 are on it's pretty bright but nothing like after the Halides come on. I would guess that 6 or 8 t5 would be pretty bright depending on bulb selection. The thing is that nothing will replace those darn Halides! The shimmer is the game changer for me.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14380751#post14380751 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poolkeeper1
Don't use Par as a guide to T5 lighting for they don't rate very high on the scale vs Halides. I tested brand new Geisseman bulbs with the club Par Meter and they only got around 700 3in off the bulb. Compared to 250w 12k reflux which got around 1800 or so! That being said I run 4 5' 80w t5 and 3 250w Halides Two t5 then 2 more then 1 H then 2 then 3 and the same in reverse. When all 4 t5 are on it's pretty bright but nothing like after the Halides come on. I would guess that 6 or 8 t5 would be pretty bright depending on bulb selection. The thing is that nothing will replace those darn Halides! The shimmer is the game changer for me.

WOW thats a lot of light!! I gotta agree with you about the shimmer, i will miss it. On the other hand. The halides create shadowing and the bottom of sps colonies suffer. I guess it's a toss up. Either way. MH are out of the question because that room heats up too much. Right now i am able to maintain the tank at 80 degrees with the help of fans and the aquacontroller. I should be able to stay at 78 with the t5!
 
Have you considered a fan to pull heat into the attic like a bathroom fan. Just trying to look at all options, b4 you spend $$ Actually when you remove the heat it will help a lot. My tank runs at about 78-80 during the summer with the help of fans!
 
Can't run it into the the attic. There is a floor upstairs. I thought about an exhaust fan through the wall to outside, but i dont want to mess up the brick of the house. I would NEVER get the ok from the wife for that LOL :)

I am actually excited to see the results i get from T5... I have a good excuse now!
 
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