Tiny Might skimmer rockin'

needle wheel

needle wheel

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hummmm looks like you went back to the brush for the pins. ha ha ha ha it looks good though. come on come on hurry up and install that thing. ha ha ha ha ha
 
Yeah, I put them side by side with the carbon fiber and they are actually smaller than the .070 rod. They taper from really small to .070 at the base where I glued them. The more I think about it I think you are right about the old wheel being overtightened. Especially when I realized the pins I used are smaller than .070". So I decided to give these a try again. I admit it is a lot less trouble too! I will let it dry over night and get it rockin' tomorrow.
 
Hey Spazz- Have you tried simply machining a solid needlewheel out of Delrin? When talking with my machinist, we originally decided that we were'nt going to be able to get any smaller tha 1/8" but that was when I was wanted to make one with equal sized gaps between pins. with bigger gaps like that, couldn't you try machining the whole thing out of something that is strong yet more forgiving like Delrin?
 
The problem is that the pins need to be way smaller than 1/8 inch or it will cause way too much drag on the tiny might motor. That is the reason we are using such small diameter needles. Injection molding would be the best route, but for just a couple here and there, this is the easiest and most reasonable way to do it.
 
I know you guys are way out of my DIY league, but 2mm Ti bike spokes are ~.079" with an extremely high modulus. Ideal for a long narrow pin.

Have you tried them?
 
I remember back in Spazz's thread someone talked about these. The problem was attaching them to the wheel and also the weight. Good idea, but probably for a more heavy duty pump.
 
What are those ATI bubblemaster impellers made out of? I can't imagine that is a proprietary material made just for them.
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Now that I look at it closely it reminds me of Velcro hook material...
 
Not proprietary at all. It is a DLS type of material which is a black nylon mesh. I read on another forum that ATI skimmers work really well but need regular cleaning. Every 3 weeks or so you need to take apart the pump to get the build up of trash out of the mesh or the performance goes down drastically.

Mike
 
Hmmm, interesting. It hadn't occurred to me that they would need to be cleaned but of course that makes perfect sense.

Anyone have a link or two to a source of this nylon mesh? I'd like to work some into my mad scientist tinkering.

Also, even though it isn't reef safe, has anyone ever played with using actual needles in a needlewheel? I'm very curious what happens to bubble size and power draw as the needles get smaller and smaller. It would seem that both improve as the needles are shrunk.
 
Here are some pics of the housing that I relieved. I actually did some more work on the inside if the cover today.
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Thanks for the pics. A couple of questions:

First, does the stock impeller simply unscrew and the fabricated needlewheel just screw on?

Second, would making the needlewheel slightly bigger so that it only clears the wall by about 1/8" and adding another couple of rows of pins make any difference in performance?
 
I also did some relieving of the inside and outlet of the dart a few days ago, and it made a world of difference. I even went up on the air input some more. The ideal thing would be for sequence to make the volute dedicated for these pumps with a2" or even 3" inside diameter and a housing that has very little to no resistance to flow of air.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7883419#post7883419 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RandyStacyE
It doesn't look like that impeller can move much water.

Which as I understand it is exactly the idea (in an RC needlewheel). I'd love an impeller than barely moved water but chopped the water/air mixture in the volute into uber tiny microbubbles.
 
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