to any one thats had Pinched Mantle

[mbbuna]

can I get everyone who's had PM to chime in on this.
can we get a list of what course of treatment you took.
was it successful.
did you do your treatment in your display or in a QT.
have you placed any survivors back into your display.
did the condition return.
did you completely clean your display before returning.
did you change out your substrate and live rock.
and please ad anything else that you might thing would be pertinent.
thanks Chris

 

[grimmjohn]

The best clammer I know:

Whooo had some great luck, diped all 9 of my baby maxs and all thus far have survived! and the condition of pinched mantle has been resoloved on all of the clams except for the yellow max that was in the worst shape(allthough its condition has improved my 75%)!

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=550095

Cheers,

grimmjohn

 

[mbbuna]

how old is that post I've seen him post lately that he lost half of them while treating them with metro.
im trying to gather some facts on this.

 

[grimmjohn]

03/20/2005 05:13 AM

His tank went through a major crash...sold everything off and is starting over with a huge custom job. I just had that dipping thread bookmarked.

Cheers,
grimmjohn

 

[mbbuna]

thanks for the info.but ive been dealing with this for 6 months and a weekly FWD is part of the routine along with Metro treatment and the likes.i started with 20 clams now i have 11 of those. im just trying to gather as much current info on success as well as failure.

 

[grimmjohn]

That sucks, sorry to hear about your loss...good luck with the treatment and info gathering.
Thankfully my baby max has never had a problem. *knock on wood*

Cheers,

grimmjohn

 

[maxxII]

Pinched Mantle

I had two Crocea w/ PM. Moved them to a 20 gallon QT tank, lit by an older 175w 10 K AB bulb, (all I had available) They were kep BB and water changes were done daily. Metronidizole was dosed at 10X reccomended dose. Clams turned brown and ugly for awhile. I had heard some comments from others that they were seeing PM again after treating with Metro, so I decided to go Hyposaline in addition to Metro. Salinity was lowered to 1.012-1.015 via refractometer. One clam made it, the other did not. I have not seen any symptoms of PM since in the previously affected clam. It has been placed in the main tank and two new clams have been added. None of the clams show any symptoms of PM.

I have heard of one person treating their tank with Prazipro instead of Metro and having success with it.

Good luck

Nick

 

[mbbuna]

thankyou MaxxII.when you placed them back into your main tank did you clean it or just right back in?
may i ask what is PRAZIPRO?
anyone else?
im hoping to tather every bit of info out there that i can
Chris

 

[mbbuna]

also thanks for the link to RF. i also took part in that thread under Chris&Barb

 

[isseym328]

I started a thread a while back about the PM. Since then I have lost two gold maximas (the two that first infected my old clams with PM) and the rest of my clams recovered (two maximas and a teardrop). I didn't go through any scientific process or use any chemicals but it worked for me. I was also following the thread on RF and that gave me suggestions as well. Anyway here's a link to my old thread...hope everyone that still have the PM problem find it useful.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=554185

 

[mbbuna]

thanks isseym328
im kind of looking for more of a break down of what everyone has done.what did you do to your display tank before you put your clams back in?
how many fwd's did you do?
any and all info please

 

[maxxII]

thankyou MaxxII.when you placed them back into your main tank did you clean it or just right back in?
may i ask what is PRAZIPRO?
anyone else?
im hoping to tather every bit of info out there that i can
Chris

Ahhhhh.....didnt catch the connection between you and Chris&Barb, and just replied to your question on RF....sorry man.

To answer your question, No. I did not clean out my main tank. I just dumped the clam back in. The main tank had been w/o any clams for a period of about 2 months though.

A reefer posted up some stuff in a thread somewhere and I asked him about it...here is his reply and a friend's comments on it after forwarding it to her. She has a veterinary background so she's pretty up on this stuff....

The reefers comments on treating his tank w/ Prazipro:

A fellow reefer asked me if I would explain my treatment for pinched mantle with Prazi Pro in detail and I figure it's better to post it here for everyone to see:

Upon receiving a clam near the 1st of June (small 1.5 inch croacea) I discovered what I observed to be pinched mantle. This was confirmed when the tank he was sold from had a gigas die from pinched mantle. The clam did not look like it was doing terribly but in order to head the problem off at the pass if you will, I began researching methods of treatment. FW dips will help the clam out for several days but the infection usually returns within a week. I know I took a huge risk (my tank has extreme flow and is all SPS and that small croacea along with a large 6 inch one. The 6 inch clam showed no signs of infection but I wanted to rid the water column of the infection as well. I read somewhere (I honestly can't remember where but I imagine it was on clamsdirect's forum) that people had sucess with prazipro. I read the label of the bottle and it claimed to kill fluke (the infection is a type of protozoan) and was totally reef safe. I have a 30 gallon aquarium with a 10 gallon sump for reference but used whatever the recommended dose was, I believe 1 tablespoon. I turned my skimmer off for 6 hours then adjusted it down when I took it back online (Euroreef CS6-1). Within the next day, the clam was the most expanded it had been and within two days was out like a normal happy clam should be. I experienced no side effects save the skimmer going a little crazy and it's now been 3 weeks with no sign of the infection returning. Oh, also I added the dosage only once and to the overflow to give it a maximum mixing time before going into the tank. Hope this helps and let me know if I can do anything else for you!

*I'd also like to include a list of the corals and critters that were unaffected by the medication (it supposedly kills flatworms as well )
-Various fish including a Potter's Angel, chalk basslet, and yellow assessor
-Shrimp including cleaner and peppermint
-Various hermits and an emerald crab
-Snails (Astrea, Turbo, Cerith)
-Acropora species including torts, stags, and a small tabling frag
-Montiporas
-Blastos
-Zooanthids and Palythoas of various colors

John

My friend's comments on it:

Ahhh - the "name brand" for this medication is Droncit in animals (praziquantel active ingredient). We used this to treat animals for tapeworms. The only thing I would worry about in regards to treating the entire tank, is whether or not I have a micro population of worms that might die off creating an algae bloom. I might give it a whirl in QT....maybe I"ll toss whatever snails I can catch in there too. I'll have to think about it. The big difference with metronidazole is it is an antibiotic, so more to be concerned with.

HTH,

Nick

 

[maxxII]

If the algae bloom is the worst thing you have contend with, I'd go for it.

PraziPro

Nick

 

[mbbuna]

thanks again MaxxII

 

[Julio]

i did several fresh water dips over the course of a month, sometimes twice a week. All my clams are cured now. Mygigas was never affected though, maybe they are immune.
Has anyone had a gigas get inffected?

 

[isseym328]

From what I've read and learned is that only maximas and croceas get infected by the infection.

 

[maxxII]

Derasa's and Squamosa's have had it too....
I dont believe its species specific. I'm sure their are people who have had it with their Gigas clams too.

Nick

 

[MG21]

Please let me know what works out for you, i'm having the same problem with 3 of my croceas. Thanks. Have the quarantine set up and just waiting to know which is best. Good luck.

 

[mbbuna]

i wont have anything to report for at least another week,i want to be sure before i post anything,but for now i would say that if you have your QT set up,put the clams in there now,the longer your clams are out of your main tank the less you may have to do later.

 

[Snprhed]

Barry from clams direct had a lab verify the actual cause (Protozoan infection) and the suggested treatment is metronadazole (sp).