To quarantine or not

[Dmorty217]

My Lfs uses hypo salinity in all tanks without coral in them

Not a fool proof way to ensure that fish are disease free. There are hypo resistant strains of ich and I would also imagine that there are hypo resistant strains of velvet and other diseases that haven't been studied in a lab setting

 

[CHSUB]

Not a fool proof way to ensure that fish are disease free. There are hypo resistant strains of ich and I would also imagine that there are hypo resistant strains of velvet and other diseases that haven't been studied in a lab setting

actually quite worthless against most diseases/parasites. only saves on salt, imo!!!

 

[Devolver]

actually quite worthless against most diseases/parasites. only saves on salt, imo!!!

jesus, really?

I am doing hypo now with all my fish to help the ICH. What are the better ways to deal with the problem? copper?

 

[CHSUB]

jesus, really?

I am doing hypo now with all my fish to help the ICH. What are the better ways to deal with the problem? copper?

it will work against ich, if done properly?

 

[lifeoffaith]

Pssst, you might need to check your math :strange:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2564297

If you have a quarantine setup and have the time to care for it. Then keep quarantining, that's common sense. But if your going to half a** it then its better not to.

99.9 + .1 is 100%, where's my math wrong? Or are you saying that it isn't actually 99.9%. I know this of course...just using a bit of hyperbole.

 

[CHSUB]

99.9 + .1 is 100%, where's my math wrong? Or are you saying that it isn't actually 99.9%. I know this of course...just using a bit of hyperbole.

i think he saying check your stats!

 

[lifeoffaith]

QT FOR SURE...take it from me...

My LFS said that my potters angel was QT'd for 6 weeks, brought him home and in 24 hours he was covered in ICK and now almost every fish in my tank s infected. Ive lost my desjardini and 2 wrasses (timicki and royal pencil) due to the tank being infected.

I am now in the process of removing all my inverts and corals to a holding tank and I am treating my display with hyposalinity. It has been a royal pain in the *** and I have learned my lesson!

I will never introduce another animal t my tank without proper QT!

don't make the same mistake I did.

It is possible the fish was quarantined (though I tend to doubt it), but your tank had ich in it and the new fish was stressed due to transport, new environment, etc. The only way to know for sure your tank is 100% ich free is to let it go fallow and only add fish that have been treated with copper or proper hypo treatment. I am quite sure that my tank probably has ich in it, but all my fish are able to fight it off. I never quarantined when I started this saltwater thing and I'm sure I could easily lose all my fish if I added a stressed (even a "healthy" stressed) fish to my tank who couldn't fight off ich.

 

[lifeoffaith]

i think he saying check your stats!

I figured that, I was just confused because my "math" was correct. I know that those numbers are a gross exaggeration. :fish1:

 

[Dustyuk]

eAnd let's not forget that ich can actually be transferred from tank to tank in the air.

I'm massively for QT, would never put a fish near my tank if I hadn't prophylactically treated it but come on, let's not be silly. We aren't talking about beubonic plague, ich, through the air??? How exactly?

 

[snorvich]

I'm massively for QT, would never put a fish near my tank if I hadn't prophylactically treated it but come on, let's not be silly. We aren't talking about beubonic plague, ich, through the air??? How exactly?

Actually, the aerosol issue is real. Check this.

 

[Deinonych]

jesus, really?

I am doing hypo now with all my fish to help the ICH. What are the better ways to deal with the problem? copper?

Tank Transfer Method (TTM) is the most effective treatment.

 

[snorvich]

Tank Transfer Method (TTM) is the most effective treatment.

This.

 

[fairl80z]

I feel like my LFS uses hypo not to help with illness but to hide it instead to make sales

 

[Dustyuk]

Actually, the aerosol issue is real. Check this.

Wowzer, I stand corrected , thing I don't get is this. TTM seems to be the method of choice but surely this is by definition more risky for transferring parasites than in the air?

 

[suta4242]

I feel like my LFS uses hypo not to help with illness but to hide it instead to make sales

I think a lot of shops do that, or run a weak copper solution through their tanks. :facepalm: Of course this makes it harder when treatment is required at home. But I understand a shops perspective too. Their goal is to minimise losses and move stock quickly.

Although I quarantine all new arrivals, I think a half hearted attempt at it is almost as useful as placing a fresh fish directly into the DT. Just saying. :twitch:


:wave:

 

[snorvich]

Wowzer, I stand corrected , thing I don't get is this. TTM seems to be the method of choice but surely this is by definition more risky for transferring parasites than in the air?

TTM has least risk of all choices but only eliminates ich.

 

[Dustyuk]

TTM has least risk of all choices but only eliminates ich.

I have no doubt it works but surely in pure risk terms it has to be more risky than say copper. If that's not the case then can you give me some details as to why? Cheers.

 

[CHSUB]

Wowzer, I stand corrected , thing I don't get is this. TTM seems to be the method of choice but surely this is by definition more risky for transferring parasites than in the air?

it's not through the air, aerosol transmission is basically splashing water or mist from an air pump. transmission would most likely occur with the tomites, so if you dump the old water soon after transfer the risk is nearly eliminated.

 

[snorvich]

I have no doubt it works but surely in pure risk terms it has to be more risky than say copper. If that's not the case then can you give me some details as to why? Cheers.

Copper is bad for fish. Copper may not work unless at therapeutic levels for a much longer time than indicated. Copper needs to be tested daily as a minimum.

 

[Deinonych]

I have no doubt it works but surely in pure risk terms it has to be more risky than say copper. If that's not the case then can you give me some details as to why? Cheers.

It is less risky since you are interrupting the front end of the lifecycle (i.e. before cyst formation). After the first transfer, fish can no longer be reinfected, and by the second transfer most of the trophonts (feeding stage) will have fallen off the fish. By the third transfer, all life stages will have been removed, and the fourth transfer is there for insurance.

With copper, you are not only exposing fish to a toxic compound, you are also targeting the most highly variable stage of the life cycle - the theront (free swimming stage). Theronts excystment happens any where from 7-72 days after infection, so there is a risk that some theronts can escape treatment (unless you treat for 72 days in copper which is highly inadvisable).