To those who have been waiting for pics from my tanks

Hey John,
To confirm what I read in your article in this TOTM, you are attributing your success with Angles in the reef from two primary factors;
1) healthy corals are not targeted - get em healthy and happy and the fish will leave em alone
2) feeding multiple times - 2x per day - get's fish lazy so they do not "look for food" cause they know it's coming.

Anything else you want to add or expand on? I think your article has pushed me over the edge... I believe a few angle fish are in my future, but i'm very nervous. (and I want my tank to mature for another 6-12 months)

Congrats on such outstanding success in something that is so truly difficult.
 
Most of the time I put into the tanks, aside from feedings when I return from work, is after the kids are in bed or during a hockey game I'm watching... while I occupied myself with so much growing up, including fish, fishing, ice hockey, water skiing, snow skiing, and golf among many other things, the list has shortened in recent years as I've set priorities out of necessity

GOLF!!! I gotta get u out next time u r down -- instead of snorkling with Julian-- we gotta go out so i can take your $$$$ to buy more fish!
--- good job as usual!
 
Hey John,
To confirm what I read in your article in this TOTM, you are attributing your success with Angles in the reef from two primary factors;
1) healthy corals are not targeted - get em healthy and happy and the fish will leave em alone
2) feeding multiple times - 2x per day - get's fish lazy so they do not "look for food" cause they know it's coming.

Anything else you want to add or expand on? I think your article has pushed me over the edge... I believe a few angle fish are in my future, but i'm very nervous. (and I want my tank to mature for another 6-12 months)

Congrats on such outstanding success in something that is so truly difficult.

Hi John,

Ditto to what Hookup asked. I would love to add some angels to my 180 but I want to make sure I can do it correctly so I won't have any problems with them eating my corals. After reading your write up in the TOTM I would like to give it a try. Are there any angels you would recommend to start with? I like the idea of pairing them up. Hopefully, one day, my tank will be as colorful and active like yours. That is truly a work of art. Thanks for sharing. :)
 
Hey John,
To confirm what I read in your article in this TOTM, you are attributing your success with Angles in the reef from two primary factors;
1) healthy corals are not targeted - get em healthy and happy and the fish will leave em alone
2) feeding multiple times - 2x per day - get's fish lazy so they do not "look for food" cause they know it's coming.

Anything else you want to add or expand on? I think your article has pushed me over the edge... I believe a few angle fish are in my future, but i'm very nervous. (and I want my tank to mature for another 6-12 months)

Congrats on such outstanding success in something that is so truly difficult.

There are many factors when it comes to my success with angels in reef tanks... I do an entire one hour talk on it and still it's hard to cover everything, but the #1 you list above is at the top of the list and is almost never talked about! While SOME angels will target SOME corals even when healthy, for the most part a lot of these circumstances could be seen in advance and controlled. I will say that with SPS corals there is NO angel I would have a problem keeping. I could say with confidence that NO angel will kill a healthy sps coral by itself.

There is something that goes on that I've called the "pleco effect" for years... named after the well known freshwater suckerfish. In my high school days I worked at a huge LFS with about 100 saltwater tanks and 200 freshwater tanks... people would regularly come in and say "my pleco ate my fish!"... sometimes they'd have the pleco in a bag even! I'd explain to them that no, their pleco did not kill their fish, but instead was opportunistically taking advantage of a dead, dieing, or otherwise stressed fish. This same thing happens with angelfish ALL OF THE TIME. I've seen it myself through the years...

Unfortunately in this hobby, and in human nature as a whole, we often look for an answer that is easily quantifiable... how many times is lighting blamed in this hobby? In reality, many expert aquarists could get beautiful results from any bulb or lighting system on the market. Water quality on the other hand, is so misunderstood and is so much more often the culprit. I know many "experts" in this field... authors and people I respect very highly, and still to this day we do not fully understand the chemistry in our tanks that goes on... especially when it comes to long term sps success... water chemistry goes WAY beyond what even today's test kits tell us. Keeping a thriving reef aquarium for years, especially an sps aquarium, is still to this day a VERY tough thing to achieve... you cannot argue that. It is very common that people have initial success only to run into problems years down the road... so many of these problems are due to water quality, yet many times it's beyond what even the best test kits tell us... sometimes it's bad enough that the test kits will tell us but we cannot rectify it... whatever the cause... the initial symptoms are nonthriving corals... by "nonthriving" I do not even mean sick or dieing... just a coral in some state other than optimal health. This initial state is very hard for novice reefers to diagnose... seasoned reefers who "know" their corals can diagnose this...

Anyway, angelfish are much more apt to pick on these corals... and as a matter of fact MANY fish are. But, many people jump to the conclusion that the angelfish are the problem, when in reality it's water quality or something else. Now of course there are certain corals that even when healthy will get picked on to the point where they do not thrive, but if you like angels that much and are willing to remove a coral from time to time, or avoid some completely, than go for it! You could have a beautiful mixed reef like my 60 with angels too... not just sps!

In regards to your number two, this is also important, not just for angels but for many fish! It reminds me of when I was in college and lived in a fraternity house... we had a cupboard there with some canned foods from God knows when... usually I wouldn't touch these... but on some nights after :beer: I'd wake up at 4 am and get hungry... if you are in dire straits you'll eat many things! Just like that tang that gets fed every three days in the tank with only the crappy tasting algaes... they'll start munching corals! Feed your fish two times a day! :)

So, generally, if you get angels and they start munching certain corals, don't blame them! If you do, you'll also have let the local game warden know about the plague of vultures attacking and killing deer on the side of roads!:bounce3:

Copps
 
GOLF!!! I gotta get u out next time u r down -- instead of snorkling with Julian-- we gotta go out so i can take your $$$$ to buy more fish!
--- good job as usual!

Manny there is no way I'm putting money on my golf game these days, especially against an anesthesiologist from South Florida!:spin3:
 
Hi John,

Ditto to what Hookup asked. I would love to add some angels to my 180 but I want to make sure I can do it correctly so I won't have any problems with them eating my corals. After reading your write up in the TOTM I would like to give it a try. Are there any angels you would recommend to start with? I like the idea of pairing them up. Hopefully, one day, my tank will be as colorful and active like yours. That is truly a work of art. Thanks for sharing. :)

The first question I have is what type of corals you keep in the 180...?
 
As everyone has mentioned incredible. You can hear the passion for the hobby in the article.

If you have time could you discuss your kitchen nano again. I realize it is not as "interesting" as the 180 but some think it rocks too.
 
Wow John, thanks for the answer! That is fantastic. One question as a follow-up.. In your experience what are some of the more delicious corals that angels cannot help themselves around? I have milli's and monti's, of which I see you do as well.. I also have stylo's and birds nests and stags...

Any observations here you can share?
 
So, generally, if you get angels and they start munching certain corals, don't blame them! If you do, you'll also have let the local game warden know about the plague of vultures attacking and killing deer on the side of roads!:bounce3:

Copps

LOL!!! That's a good analogy :thumbsup: and a great write up. Thanks.
 
The first question I have is what type of corals you keep in the 180...?

Hi copps,

Thanks. Right now I have a mixed tank: Softies: some zoas, anthellias, toad stools, riccoidias, mushrooms, and some gsp. LPS: several acans, a hammer and frogspawn, some fungia, a chalice, and a duncan. SPS: some acros and some montis. Over time I want to make it more of a sps dominant tank with some lps, a few zoas and some clams. The wife also wants a nem as well but we aren't there yet.
 
After the floods we've just had here John, reading through your system profile really lifted my spirits mate. For so long we've always heard of it, heard of your exploits with it... but to finally see it in pictures is somethin' else. Especially love the idea of maintaining a subtropical tank at temperature without chilling the entire system down - there's genius at work there.

Nice to see you reppin' some of the gorgeous corals we send you guys out of Queensland as well... nice to know they're going to a good home... :)
 
Holy cow - those tanks are just positively breathtaking!!! Your impressive husbandry leaves me speechless. Your love for the hobby is truly evident. The corals and the fish together is so wonderful to see.

On a side note, I too am a fan of the "transition zone". Although I never had a name for it. I always keep a rock division where I can insert a big piece of eggcrate to separate the tank into two separate parts. Started when I was adding a male for my female marroon.
 
Awesome tanks and I have always loved angels. My question is there anyway of stopping them from picking on brains? I have been able to keep them with SPS, Frogspawn, Candy Cane and just about all softies, but never with brains.
 
As everyone has mentioned incredible. You can hear the passion for the hobby in the article.

If you have time could you discuss your kitchen nano again. I realize it is not as "interesting" as the 180 but some think it rocks too.

Yeah the 10 gallon I set up just after getting married in our first apartment with my wife. I wanted to do a nano and this little spot in the kitchen appeared to be a good fit, but I realized that I'd have nowhere for a fuge really... but in the cabinet above. So, I engineered the system the way you see... I attached a hang-on-the-back Aquaclear fillter on the 10 gallon and placed a Minijet powerhead in the Aquaclear in place of the sponges and carbon. The small powerhead pumped up to the refugium and then flowed back down, after I drilled two small holes in the top of the filter. This essentially made the 10 gallon the sump of the refugium.

I lit the 10 gallon with two 36 watt PC bulbs... one actinic and one 10k and they were just an inch or two off of the water, allowing me to keep high light corals like Acropora... I kept small Tridacna clams and supplemented with phytoplankton on a daily basis... the system was a huge success and pretty neat I thought! :) I put 180 gallons of ideas into that nano... :)

Wow John, thanks for the answer! That is fantastic. One question as a follow-up.. In your experience what are some of the more delicious corals that angels cannot help themselves around? I have milli's and monti's, of which I see you do as well.. I also have stylo's and birds nests and stags...

Any observations here you can share?

There are a few corals I stay away from, but I have no problem keeping ANY angel with ANY sps coral, which are the one you mention... you may sacrifice polyp extension... your millis may be less "milli"... but this is natural... alot of the daytime polyp extension we see in our systems is unnatural and retracted polyps during the day for many sps is the norm... and look at my pics and you'll see you do not sacrifice health or beauty!

How long do you run your Ushio 14ks and when do you change them out?

I run them for seven hours a day... from 2 pm to 5pm and 6 pm to 10 pm. I used to only run one chiller on the system and the break between 5 and 6 pm allowed the chiller to catch up... I enjoyed that cycle and so I've kept it the same...

Copps
 
Hi copps,

Thanks. Right now I have a mixed tank: Softies: some zoas, anthellias, toad stools, riccoidias, mushrooms, and some gsp. LPS: several acans, a hammer and frogspawn, some fungia, a chalice, and a duncan. SPS: some acros and some montis. Over time I want to make it more of a sps dominant tank with some lps, a few zoas and some clams. The wife also wants a nem as well but we aren't there yet.

Yeah as I said with sps your options are wide open as far as angelfish... if you choose beyond Genicanthus and Centropyge you'll have to be careful with zoanthids and many meaty lps like acans and very fleshy brains... longer polyp lps are fine, like hammers and frogspawns... if you like angels that much just realize that you may have to stay away from a few corals...

After the floods we've just had here John, reading through your system profile really lifted my spirits mate. For so long we've always heard of it, heard of your exploits with it... but to finally see it in pictures is somethin' else. Especially love the idea of maintaining a subtropical tank at temperature without chilling the entire system down - there's genius at work there.

Nice to see you reppin' some of the gorgeous corals we send you guys out of Queensland as well... nice to know they're going to a good home... :)

Benjamin hang in there buddy... I hope your family is at least safe, and I'm happy to provide you with a brief respite at least from the flooding... I have many fish from Queensland also you'll see!

Awesome tanks and I have always loved angels. My question is there anyway of stopping them from picking on brains? I have been able to keep them with SPS, Frogspawn, Candy Cane and just about all softies, but never with brains.

Yeah many fleshy brains you just have to stay away from... they are just too tempting and even when healthy get picked on too much...

Copps
 
Yeah as I said with sps your options are wide open as far as angelfish... if you choose beyond Genicanthus and Centropyge you'll have to be careful with zoanthids and many meaty lps like acans and very fleshy brains... longer polyp lps are fine, like hammers and frogspawns... if you like angels that much just realize that you may have to stay away from a few corals...

Cool beans. Thanks copps. :)
 
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