tobacco in the tank! NEED HELP QUICKLY!

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7171254#post7171254 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by albinooscar
Can you explain to me what an "average smoker" is?

BTW They don't fight for the right to give other people cancer, they fight for the freedom of choice the non-smokers are trying to take from them. To smoke or not to smoke.

I don't think the government should ban smoking in every establishment. I think that it should be up to the owner. Or at the very most, make the owner post that "This is a smoking establishment". Remember, non-smokers make the decision to go into the smoke, we do not force them to go. Why can't we have bars that are non-smoking bars? Because a lot of the people that go to bars are smokers. So how's baning smoking going to affect bars?

It's like being arrested for drinking in a bar.

Ron

The problem is, your smoking hurts other people. Cigarette smoke gives many of us serious breathing problems. You can go in a non smoking bar and be fine, I cant go into a smoking bar and be fine.


I could use the same argument that you're saying to say that I should have the right to throw acid on people. You're hurting other people, and you dont have a right to do that. Thats what it comes down to.



As to making the decision to go into the smoke, thats crap. I can't walk down the street near my house without having to walk through a cloud.

 

[Froggy]

To me the "Average smoker" seems to be someone who does not care for my health or anyone elses health that are around them and only care about their own selfish need for a cigarette. I have no problems with people that smoke as long as they do it in an area that only affects them and not the other person that has no interest in breathing their 2nd hand smoke containing well over 4,000 chemicals.

What would be the difference in this. Lets say for argument sake that I like the smell of rotten eggs and sulfur. I have this stuff bottled in a can. I am eating dinner at a table near you and decide "It's time for a hit of stink". I start spraying the rotten egg spray at my table. I love it. I guarantee you will have a problem with it................ I am also tired of watching cigarette butts bouncing off of my car because smokers do not want the butts or ashes in their in car ashtray. Besides, they keep their change in there. That is what it is designed for...right ??? Just my experience.


back to the topic.... I hope the tank works out and everything makes it through.

 

[colesy]

Wow, I didn't realize there were so many other people that had such strong feelings about smoking.. I can't stand it, and don't see any point in it. I have a few friends that smoke, they are good people, and even so it bugs me when they smoke. They will just throw the cigarette but wherever they want... Maybe there are lot's of smokers out there that make an effort to find a trash can, but I haven't seen one yet.

BTW, the reason why the smokers on this board would never put a but in someones tank, is because you are educated in reef keeping. I am sure it hasn't stopped you from throwing a but out the car window, or dropping one on the side walk. It's just as bad if you ask me.

 

[albinooscar]

See, there y'all go, blaming the smokers. Why do we have to worry about non-smokers health? What's the matter they can't can't do it themselves without take rights away from other people?

It all comes down to the right to choose. All of us have the choice of weather to smoke or not to smoke, weather to breathe smoke or not to breathe smoke. But now a right of someone who chose to smoke is being taken away just because (shall I stereotype?) the average non-smoke thinks they have more rights than smokers.

Let's worry about the number one cause of death:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/10/29/medical_system_is_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm

http://www.karlloren.com/Diabetes/p68.htm

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/conventionalmedicine.htm

Are we going to make the medical system and doctors illegal?
It's no wonder that malpractice insurance is so high.


Ron

 

[albinooscar]

BTW, I'm finished with this thread. I'll leave it to all the bleeding hearts that think they know best and can change the world by taking away rights and freedom of choice.

Ron

 

[Froggy]

I have the right to eat somewhere that is smoke free. You are right. We all have a choice as to whether we will smoke , not smoke, breathe smoke or not. I choose not to. I do not need smokers to choose for me. That is the difference. If you choose to smoke, FINE!. You smoke. I shouldn't have to smoke because you do. "Should we make Doctors illegal" ?? That is rediculous. Yes hospitals and the medical profession make mistakes and bad things can and do happen. Doctors also do a lot of good. Cigarettes do nothing good for ANYONE. Including you. I have said my peace and will say no more. This thread is way off topic and no longer reef related.

 

[Chad Vossen]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7170195#post7170195 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Andrew
Tell him your $850 Chinese clownfish died.

you beat me to it, i was thinkin of a $200. peperment shrimp.

well probly claim you had 3 die that cost 45$ each. worse i have had a friend do was use a sharpie to color a favorite picture of a iguana in one of my magazines. i yelled at him and ever since he has had the most respect for the things i have.

if i found something thats not soposed to be in my tank after i had friends over, yes, hell would be knocking on their door.

 

[Hattie B]

Me too.

When I saw the 850 clown fish I thought it was hysterical... you should do that even just for giggles.. Maybe he'll sweat a little bit.


______

Speaking for someone who IS in Oncology research, no one perspective on smoking either which way will change anything, besides start a fight and name calling.

Currently I am heavily involved in lung cancer models and there is a lot more to it then breathing second hand smoke. People can get lung cancers in numerous ways including not smoking..

I currently support my dad who is a smoker and has been for 50+ years, even though myself and my organizaiton is activly looking for therapies to treat cancers I still feel it's an individual choice, some are like people who said before; more considerate than others.. If you want smoke free places more to Ca there are lots of them here..

 

[colesy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7171737#post7171737 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by albinooscar
See, there y'all go, blaming the smokers. Why do we have to worry about non-smokers health? What's the matter they can't can't do it themselves without take rights away from other people?

It all comes down to the right to choose. All of us have the choice of weather to smoke or not to smoke, weather to breathe smoke or not to breathe smoke. But now a right of someone who chose to smoke is being taken away just because (shall I stereotype?) the average non-smoke thinks they have more rights than smokers.

Let's worry about the number one cause of death:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/10/29/medical_system_is_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm

http://www.karlloren.com/Diabetes/p68.htm

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/conventionalmedicine.htm

Are we going to make the medical system and doctors illegal?
It's no wonder that malpractice insurance is so high.


Ron

I don't think I have more rights then a smoker at all.. You say that we have the right not to breathe in your second hand smoke.. That is exactly it, we do have that right, but when people smoke around other people, you lose that right, because you cannot help but inhale second hand smoke. So the only way to get around it is to take all the people that don't care about breathing in the smoke, and put them together where it doesn't effect the people that choose not to breathe it in.. You can come back and say well if you don't want to be around smoking then don't go out to places that will have smokers. That's great, but why do non smokers have to sacrifice?

Everyone keeps pointing out that there are other things that can kill you as well. Who is to say that non-smokers aren't trying to avoid them, by eating healthy, staying in shape etc...

The botten line is smoking is bad for you. It's proven. In no way is it healthy. Same with second hand smoke. If you choose to smoke that is perfectly fine, that is your choice. But when your smoking effects others around you, then you should take that into consideration when doing it. Don't get all snotty and think that non-smokers are against you. Is it a bad thing that non smokers are concerned about there health?

It boggles my mind that people think they should be able to smoke anywhere they want. Would you light up a smoke right infront of you child, and let them inhale the smoke? I sure hope not.

 

[allen00se]

I used to get into trouble when I was in college for playing my music loud during a party at about 2 am.
**** Sarcasm On*****If above mentioned smoker lived next to me, im sure that he would be fighting for my RIGHTS to play my music while his kids were trying to sleep. After all, he has the choice to stay in the house next door or move, so why should I be forced to turn my music down. ****Sarcasm Off****
There are instances every day where we must sacrifice some of our RIGHTS to make this world a better place, and most of those instances dont even involve cancer for everyone in the area.
Smokers, just wait till after dinner to smoke, how hard is that? I like to burp after some good mexican food, but I wait till the drive home.
Thanks,
Krys

 

[Scuba_Dave]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7169991#post7169991 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardW
<<< He sounds like your average smoker to me. >>>

Your average smoker would not do something absurdly stupid like that.

Your average smoker toss his cig butts anywhere & everywhere
No-one is allowed to smoke in my house. My house, my air to breathe - take yer filthy habit somewhere else.

I'd put a cigarette out in his mouth - see how he likes it

Smoking should be banned in EVERY public establishment
Including public - as in out doors

You want to smoke, do it in your own car or your own house
Stay away from me. Poisoning other people with 2nd hand smoke is NOT a right

 

[iCam]

I am a smoker, but I respect other's people choice to not want to be around it.

If anyone in the group is not a smoker, I ask if it's okay for me to smoke around them. I would never smoke in someone's vehicle unless they smoke in their vehicle, and even then don't ask, I only do it if they ask if I want one. I don't smoke in my car with someone in it that doesn't smoke unless they say it's okay, but generally I still don't.

As far as cigarette butts, when I am driving, I put the cigarette butt in a bottle in my car. Neither my roommate or I smoke in the apartment, and we don't allow anyone else to. We keep a container on the balcony for people to put their cigarette butts when they smoke.

I do smoke in public, but not in area where there are people nearby. I don't see any harm in smoking as I walk to class as even if I walk past someone fairly close, the smoke is not blowing to them, or it is completely dissipated before it gets near them.

So, some smokers don't disregard other people. If you really want to complain, bash people with cars that drive by with a black cloud spewing out the tailpipe, or construction workers mixing concrete and getting the dust in the air

Anyways, to the original poster, apologies that we hijacked your thread. Is everything looking any better?

 

[catdoc]

This won't be very reassuring, but I remember from my biochem and toxicology that nicotine can be pretty toxic to some invertebrates. Here's one article that I found when I was searching for things to refresh my memory:

http://www.hampton.va.us/publicworks/press/pdf/cigarette_butts_as_litter.pdf

The good part is that it doesn't sound like 2 cigarette butts in a tank (unless a nano) would be too bad. Hope all of your critters do well!

We (my husband and I) have had a long-time ban on smoking in our home and vehicles. It's your house, I would just make it a new house rule that guests aren't to smoke inside. And a locking cover on the tank might not be a bad idea if your "friends" like to pull this kind of stunt!

 

[fishfanv]

wow, so sorry about your tank! nice friend. hope he straightens up next time. i personally would kick my friend's butt for pulling that at my house with my tank. luckily i have friends who are respectful of where they put their butts & where they do their smoking when they're at my house. they know they have to stay outside and not throw their butts anywhere but into an ashtray they bring with them then dispose of on their own.

 

[nccmike]

I know you have already heard this but I would have broken my foot off in his you know what.

Us reefers put too much time and effort into this for some drunko to pull that. Luckly most of my parties have 10 people standing around looking at the tank with there pie holes open.

I also make everyone smoke out back.

 

[colesy]

Happy Easter everybody!

 

[dippin61]

id be really careful... there are over 500 chemicals in every cigarette.

ive been in the cigarette industry for about 10 years now. (dad owns a huge cigarette store in my state)

cigarettes have some nasty stuff in them..

you wouldnt believe what they put in them.


here are some examples:

* Acetanisole
* Acetic Acid
* Acetoin
* Acetophenone
* 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
* 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
* 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
* Acetylpyrazine
* 2-Acetylpyridine
* 3-Acetylpyridine
* 2-Acetylthiazole
* Aconitic Acid
* dl-Alanine
* Alfalfa Extract
* Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
* Allyl Hexanoate
* Allyl Ionone
* Almond Bitter Oil
* Ambergris Tincture
* Ammonia
* Ammonium Bicarbonate
* Ammonium Hydroxide
* Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
* Ammonium Sulfide
* Amyl Alcohol
* Amyl Butyrate
* Amyl Formate
* Amyl Octanoate
* alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
* Amyris Oil
* *****-Anethole
* Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
* Anise
* Anise Star, Extract and Oils
* Anisyl Acetate
* Anisyl Alcohol
* Anisyl Formate
* Anisyl Phenylacetate
* Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
* Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
* 1-Arginine
* Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
* Ascorbic Acid
* 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
* 1-Aspartic Acid
* Balsam Peru and Oil
* Basil Oil
* Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
* Beeswax White
* Beet Juice Concentrate
* Benzaldehyde
* Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
* Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
* Benzoin Resin
* Benzophenone
* Benzyl Alcohol
* Benzyl Benzoate
* Benzyl Butyrate
* Benzyl Cinnamate
* Benzyl Propionate
* Benzyl Salicylate
* Bergamot Oil
* Bisabolene
* Black Currant Buds Absolute
* Borneol
* Bornyl Acetate
* Buchu Leaf Oil
* 1,3-Butanediol
* 2,3-Butanedione
* 1-Butanol
* 2-Butanone
* 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
* Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
* Butyl Acetate
* Butyl Butyrate
* Butyl Butyryl Lactate
* Butyl Isovalerate
* Butyl Phenylacetate
* Butyl Undecylenate
* 3-Butylidenephthalide
* Butyric Acid]
* Cadinene
* Caffeine
* Calcium Carbonate
* Camphene
* Cananga Oil
* Capsicum Oleoresin
* Caramel Color
* Caraway Oil
* Carbon Dioxide
* Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
* Carob Bean and Extract
* beta-Carotene
* Carrot Oil
* Carvacrol
* 4-Carvomenthenol
* 1-Carvone
* beta-Caryophyllene
* beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
* Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
* Cassia Bark Oil
* Cassie Absolute and Oil
* Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
* Cedar Leaf Oil
* Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
* Cedrol
* Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
* Cellulose Fiber
* Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
* Chicory Extract
* Chocolate
* Cinnamaldehyde
* Cinnamic Acid
* Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
* Cinnamyl Acetate
* Cinnamyl Alcohol
* Cinnamyl Cinnamate
* Cinnamyl Isovalerate
* Cinnamyl Propionate
* Citral
* Citric Acid
* Citronella Oil
* dl-Citronellol
* Citronellyl Butyrate
* itronellyl Isobutyrate
* Civet Absolute
* Clary Oil
* Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
* Cocoa
* Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
* Coconut Oil
* Coffee
* Cognac White and Green Oil
* Copaiba Oil
* Coriander Extract and Oil
* Corn Oil
* Corn Silk
* Costus Root Oil
* Cubeb Oil
* Cuminaldehyde
* para-Cymene
* 1-Cysteine

and this is just a SMALL fraction of ingredients. there are around 400 more

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7178270#post7178270 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dippin61

* *****-Anethole

See, cigarettes are so bad that RC even profanity filters their ingredients!

 

[Alaskan Reefer]

Just use some carbon and do a large water change. It shouldn't be a big deal since the butts didn't decompose in the tank. If people at your parties are putting butts out in your aquarium you need to get new friends that's pretty ridiculous.

Most smokers don't disregard other people. Some do, yes, but most don't. Some people fart in public, other's don't. Some people insist on cramming into an elevator despite never having heard of deodorant. Some people drive cars that emit more that will harm you in 10 minutes than a smoker does in his / her lifetime. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Smoking isn't pretty, but some people enjoy the relief from depression and anxiety that nicotine provides. As long as it's not indoors, anybody who doesn't like it has plenty of other places on earth to move to -- it only takes a few steps, the same ones the smoker will take if you insist on poisoning them by starting your car while he / she is standing next to the exhaust pipe...

 

[REEFKEEPA]

Tell your friend he is a moron. Then punch him.
Then, Quit smoking and don't let people smoke inside your house.
You will be glad you did it and will have an extra 30 or so bucks a week to spend on other stuff. Not just that, but if you ever decide to sell your house, you will have a much larger base of buyers.