Torch & Frogspawn heads detached

[remix8315544]

I have a Torch and Frogspawn that each have a head that detached recently. They are kept in a 75 with 20 sump. 1.026, 78.5 degrees, PH 8.0, 7.8 DKH, Calcium 400, Mag 1320, Nitrates 0, Phosphates undetectable with Salifert kit. 10% water change every 2 weeks. Kalk in auto top off, GFO, Carbon and Bio Pellets. Lighting is a Reefbreeders 48" LED. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.

 

[rt67ghy]

When you say the heads detached, does it mean the flesh died and came off? If so, it sounds like a case of brown jelly where the heads died from the disease.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Euphyllia tossing their heads is called polyp bailout and they do this because they don't like the place they're in at the time. Could be water parameters, too much light or too much flow. Euphyllia like low flow where they have a gentle sway and light usually found at the sandbed of your tank. Sandbed is where you want to start all corals out so they can acclimate to your tank and it's lighting.

What are your parameters? and need a picture of where it is in your tank would be helpful

 

[ZeeSparrow]

Pictures would be helpful. Params look good, though you may be stripping too much from the water. Do you feed them (direct or broadcast)?

Where are they placed in the tank, and how long have you had them there? What does your light schedule look like? Do you have any other coral in the tank - and how are they doing?

 

[remix8315544]

I'll post some pics tomorrow. I had not been feeding them but just bought Reef Chili to direct feed.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Still need to see your parameters since it's been two days from your last ones to make sure it's stable. Also add some mysis to the Reef Chili when you mix it and let each LPS have a few of them. Remember to feed your fish first so they don't steal the food away from the corals, AND turn off all pumps when you spot feed. Feeding the fish well first is a must or you'll have to cover the corals each with something to keep the fish out.

 

[remix8315544]

I'll have new parameters up tomorrow. I'll add some Mysis to the target feeding. Here what the torch looked like today.

 

[Dkuhlmann]

Part of it looks pretty good the back part might have had something to cause it not to expand fully like a fish or something hitting it. Also a picture without the blues would be much better. Blues and camera's don't work well.

 

[remix8315544]

I'll try to post a better picture. 20% water change today. Started target feeding. Will post new parameters ASAP.

 

[remix8315544]

New params after water change similar. PH 8.0, Nitrates 0, Alk is a little low 7.3 (added 2 tsp baking soda to raise it), Calcium 450, Mag 1335, temp 78.8 and SG 1.026. Torch continues to deteriorate. Elegance and Fox doing well as are leathers and Zoas/Palys. All fish and inverts are fine.

 

[ZeeSparrow]

Alk has gone down. Is your kalk fully saturated? If not, I'd bump that up a bit to keep it stable.

I'm still curious about a few things:

- How long you've had the torch?
- How long you've had the frogspawn? (Got a picture of that?)
- Has the torch always been in the current position in the tank?
- Has the frogspawn always been in the current position in the tank?
- What is your light schedule? (Time on, max of blues/whites, etc)
- What kind of flow is on the torch? Direct/indirect... low/med/high...
- What kind of flow is on the frogspawn?

- Why are you running biopellets when your nitrates are zero?
- What is the phosphate level? Have any nuisance algae? (If zero and no, why are you running GFO?)

 

[remix8315544]

The Torch I've had for about 6 weeks. Seemed to be doing well for the first 3 or 4 then something changed. The Frogspawn for about 3 months. Never seemed to do that well from the start. The Frogspawn did not make it. Lights on 5% blue at 7 am they gradually ramp up to 60% blue 45% white at 1 pm - 2 pm and then gradually ramp back down to 5% at 11 pm then off. The lights ar aprox 18" above the tank. Torch is on the sandbed with moderate variable flow from both sides (Jebao WP-8000s). Running GFO to control small outbreak of brown algae in the sand and as preventative. Basically the same for the pellets. Only running a small amount. Just started running Kalk recently. Mixing 2 tsp in 1 gal jugs and transfering to top off pale after it's settled. I have tried moving the Torch to divverent locations in the tank with no change.