total sps loss within 4 hours
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davelin315
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That's a good point. I didn't see that the tank was in South Florida - when you say NSW, do you mean filtered NSW or simply stuff that you take out of the ocean? If you do, do you have a clean source for it? South Florida could mean many things - maybe you live in Miami and are taking the water from the beach, or maybe you live in the Keys an a lone island and have clean water...
As far as the cucumber question, I have had them die in my system and nothing happened to it... of course, I have a 300 gallon display with about 350 more gallons in the back going through sumps. Something definitely happened before, though. When was the last water change prior to the crash? Perhaps something was imported into your system that hurt it?
JazzZero
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^+1, are there any present in the tank?
No cucumbers
as for the water its collected at high tide and thats
all this tank has ever known.
Scott-CapeCoral
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Sorry if I'm asking soemthing that was answered, I'm low on time.. Do you have a fuge connected with macro that could have gone sexual ?
coralnut99
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Just my 2 bits here, but I think there are two things at work here. Using NSW is absolutely fine in my book and makes me insanely jealous. I don't think the NSW introduced anything toxic like the copper we usually suspect first. I think it set in motion the events leading up to a spawning event. My money's riding on the clams, expecially since they were fine before during and after. With a 2 inch sandbed, I can't see hydrogen sulfide even getting a chance to form, so I would even rule the goby's habits out. That's a SSB.
Pcrain
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I lost a few acros about a month ago From RTN which i believe was from bad food.. sounds like something in your stressed your acros enough to go RTN.. Maybe the 100% water changed stressed the coral... I believe doing a more than 25% change in water chemistry at one time is always to much.. this hobby takes incredible patience
How did you get rid of the red bugs?
I cant tell you what you might have done that day or how that gobie died maybe more detail will help.
maybe get some monti's just to reassure you when times are tough way more hardy when all my acros died last mouth i looked at my montis and thought well nothing is wrong with my water prams it only affected 1 species
How did you get rid of the red bugs?
I cant tell you what you might have done that day or how that gobie died maybe more detail will help.
maybe get some monti's just to reassure you when times are tough way more hardy when all my acros died last mouth i looked at my montis and thought well nothing is wrong with my water prams it only affected 1 species
yeah this seems odd, I am sorry to hear that you are having so many problems. If I had to guess I would also agree with the spawning event but with that being said I would have hoped that your skimmer would have started to calm down after a few hours since it would have probably gather up all of the excess by then but like I said that is just my best guess.
Pcrain
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i want to believe its a clam spawning event but it dose not fit i read stresses such as heat, salinity and lunar cycles change will trigger spawns now i dont know much about claim i dont keep them but if his whole tank was foggy and well claims have a Nuke effect.
im curious about the skimmer going crazy..
im curious about the skimmer going crazy..
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Can you give more info on:
THE sequence of events,
THE water source/preparation, and
THE water change procedure?
Specifically, I'm thinking a drastic change in temp., pH, or light transmittance (in order of my suspscions) as a result of the large water change is/was the main problem.
THE sequence of events,
THE water source/preparation, and
THE water change procedure?
Specifically, I'm thinking a drastic change in temp., pH, or light transmittance (in order of my suspscions) as a result of the large water change is/was the main problem.
CryptoFusion
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I could be way off here but is it possible that the calcium in his tank was too high and he had calcium precipitation? I think that's what it's called. Where the calcium can no longer be in solution. He said his calcium was 520, is that high enough to cause that?
JPMagyar
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Narrow the search.
Narrow the search.
There are two common events that cause water to cloud up suddenly:
1) Spawning.
2) Calcium carbonate precipitation.
Your calcium was on the high side of normal as was your alkalinity, and since you say you use natural seawater, I must assume you have some means of adding calcium and alkalinity to raise it above the natural level. I personally have experienced calcium carbonate precipitation in my system twice. Both times it happened, I found my test kits were measuring Calcium on the low side compared to other kits, and I was dripping B-Ionic 2 part solution with a medical doser at about 10 drops per minute (which is the normal rate for my system). In other words at some moment in time a mere drop of additional alkalinity in solution was enough to trigger 750 gallons of water to suddenly turn cloudy with precipitate. In both cases my SPS slimed, AND the second time it happened my clam spawned. I took the clam out and put it in a second bucket for 4 hours until it calmed down. I did a 10% water change, and by morning the tank was back to normal. I was extremely fortunate that I had no losses. I would not be surprised if you experienced the same sequence of events. You may have started with a precipitation event that then stressed the clams into spawning which would have been obscured by the cloudy water, and the "coup de grace" would have been the 100% water change. The fact that some inhabitants survived also hints at the "natural" nature of your precipitation event.
In either case, I am deeply sorry for your loss. If you decide to try and restock, perhaps I could help with a box of free frags.
Sorry again to hear of your loss, and good-luck.
JP
Narrow the search.
There are two common events that cause water to cloud up suddenly:
1) Spawning.
2) Calcium carbonate precipitation.
Your calcium was on the high side of normal as was your alkalinity, and since you say you use natural seawater, I must assume you have some means of adding calcium and alkalinity to raise it above the natural level. I personally have experienced calcium carbonate precipitation in my system twice. Both times it happened, I found my test kits were measuring Calcium on the low side compared to other kits, and I was dripping B-Ionic 2 part solution with a medical doser at about 10 drops per minute (which is the normal rate for my system). In other words at some moment in time a mere drop of additional alkalinity in solution was enough to trigger 750 gallons of water to suddenly turn cloudy with precipitate. In both cases my SPS slimed, AND the second time it happened my clam spawned. I took the clam out and put it in a second bucket for 4 hours until it calmed down. I did a 10% water change, and by morning the tank was back to normal. I was extremely fortunate that I had no losses. I would not be surprised if you experienced the same sequence of events. You may have started with a precipitation event that then stressed the clams into spawning which would have been obscured by the cloudy water, and the "coup de grace" would have been the 100% water change. The fact that some inhabitants survived also hints at the "natural" nature of your precipitation event.
In either case, I am deeply sorry for your loss. If you decide to try and restock, perhaps I could help with a box of free frags.
Sorry again to hear of your loss, and good-luck.
JP
