Treating for redbugs and aefw

Finland

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I discovered I have redbugs after a decline in corals health. I was able to get some interceptor and did one treatment this past weekend. Most corals are getting much better PE in just a few days. I am planning on doing another treatment with interceptor this coming weekend. A few of my millies still look like crap with even less PE than a few days ago. I decided to blast them with a turkey baster and sure enough, flatworms go flying off. My question is, can I treat the tank with Interceptor for redbugs and Salifert's Flatworm Exit at the same time, or should I hold off for awhile with the Flatworm Exit. Dipping is not really practical because the corals are fully encrusted on large pieces of live rock. Suggestion?
 
If you have a infestation of both RBs and AEFWs, you can treat both systemically with Levamisole.
 
Flatworm exit is ineffective against AEFW. I would dip all corals in CoralRX or ReVive.

Bax how much has this treatment been studied? I've seen you recommend it in a few threads here and wonder how reef safe this treatment really is.
 
I have heard Levamisole is difficult to find now. Any truth to that? Where do you get it from? I know my vet can't get it or so he says.
 
Seems pretty obvious that we are doing something wrong as far as dipping and quarantining before putting corals into the display. I am fixing that. Quarantine tank is already set up and longer dip times. I always dipped per instructions on the bottle of revive, but I guess that is not good enough.
 
Treating for redbugs does not result in aefw. More likely the same lack of qt that allowed redbugs in also allowed in aefw.
 
Treating for redbugs does not result in aefw. More likely the same lack of qt that allowed redbugs in also allowed in aefw.

^^That is for sure but maybe the RB kept the aefw under control? Hence killing off the RB let the aefw repopulate faster? IDK, just talking out of my *** here:hammer:
 
^^That is for sure but maybe the RB kept the aefw under control? Hence killing off the RB let the aefw repopulate faster? IDK, just talking out of my *** here:hammer:

Talk away. Advance theories.

Both redbugs and aefw desire the same host. That could be viewed as a competition for resources, which could result in some sort of behavior to favor one, say the redbug, over the other, say the flatworm. I suppose it's also not inconceivable that redbugs could be territorial and don't tolerate other critters on their host. An adult flatworm would have a serious size advantage however.
 
Flatworm exit is ineffective against AEFW. I would dip all corals in CoralRX or ReVive.

Bax how much has this treatment been studied? I've seen you recommend it in a few threads here and wonder how reef safe this treatment really is.

I just did it. IMO it saved my system from a total tear down.

You hvae to be very careful with dosing, do not overdose. But treated correctly, all shrimp, hermits, clams survive. Fish & corals were fine. I dont have a nem at the moment so I can't speek to them. I found my brittle stars to be unhappy so I pulled them.

Search it. You'll find a majority of positive experience when dosed correctly.
 
In the interest of full dislcolsure here's a recent acount of my experience with Levamisole from another thread, the good, the bad, the ungly.

I just started replacing SPS to my display last week after a long battle with AEFWs.

To finally beat them here's what I did:

I fragged all my acro colonies tossing the bases in the trash (14" diameter tables right in the trash) :( ;

Moved the frags to one tank within my system (I had assumed I needed a systemic treatment at this point, so I gathered them together to remove FOOD for the AEFWs from the rest of the system and make it easier to dip and inspect SPS) ;

Dipped constantly for a few weeks to be sure all AEFW breedrers were gone; and

Treated the system with Levamisole at 5grams/300gal system water, once a week for three weeks to be sure all hatching AEFWs were vanquished. Buy a electronic scale to weigh the Levamisole it is worth every penny to be accurate! STAPLES sells them for like $15. I took one liter of RODI water and dissolved the 5 grams of Levamisole in it, then used this solution proportionately through out my system.

A treatment means this: Apply the dose at 5 grams/ 300 gallons system volume, keep all system water flowing as usual. You should shut down air to your skimmer, pull your GAC & GFO, as well as change any mechanical filters (socks or pads). Circulate for 4-5 hours, then you can fire the skimmer back up (be prepared for lots of foam) and add back GAC. In a day change the pads or socks again (They will be full of dead mini brittles, pods & AEFWs)

I'm still dipping to check as i am PARANOID! But so far, at least three weeks since the last treatment, I'm AEFW free!

DO NOT OVER DOSE THE LEVAMISOL!

I did at first and nearly killed the entire system.

A note on critters: SPS were just fine; The few zoas & LPS I have were fine; Fish were fine; I do not currently have a nem, so IDK; Clams closed up but were OK after a day or two; Fire Shrimp, hermit crabs & snails disapear & hide, but come back out after a day or two; Your mini brittles & pods take a hit, but mine have come back; Be very cautious about stars, I would remove Sea Stars & larger Brittle Stars during the 4-5 hour treatment and for at least a few hours following the restart of the skimmer and adding the GAC.

What would I do differently? If there is ever a next time, and now that I've established much better dipping & QT regimen for all incomming SPS, there should not be a next time, I'd go right to systemic treatment with the Levamisole along with dipping. I would not move right to chopping up my beloved colonies. However, I would treat for 4-5 weeks to be sure to out treat the life cycle of potentially hidden eggs, or the eggs that are layed after the first round of treatment by surviving adults.

Where to get Levamisole:
Levamisole hydrochloride is much easier to aquire than say, Interseptor is as it does not require a script. It is readily available on line through live stock supply web sites. It is the primary constituent of Pig, Goat, and Cattle dewormers. The one issue is, there are tons of products. You want a very pure, soluable Levamisole product. The one I used is called PROHIBIT Soluable Drench Powder. It was sold as a goat dewormer at a site called cattlestore.com, shipped for about $25 and ther's enough to treat your whole club's worth of tanks.

How did I overdose?!?!
A) I am stupid!
B) Levamisol has been used in the fresh water trade for a while to treat worm and fluke parisites and rid tanks of neusance snails. The dosage used in FW is tripple that for marine applications. Remember in FW most inverts are bad! I accidently dosed at FW rates, as I did not scroll down far enough in my reference article. I've posted the correct SW dosage here, follow it exactly.
C) I'm really stupid! :headwallblue:

All this said, the best way to control AEFWs in this hobby is for everyone, that's all of us, who want to keep SPS to DIP AND QT ALL INCOMMING SPS. Assume everyone you aquire frags from already has AEFWs, Red Bugs, Sea Spiders, cooties, and an STD or two!!!! Everyone! Your bestest fragging buddy, your local coral farmer, your favorite LFS, your Mom! Everyone!

I have discovered pests on frags from all of the highly respected LFS in my area. ALL OF THEM!

Stop the madness! :deadhorse: OK .... I am done :fish2:
 
Bax, you mentioned in your first response that it treats red bugs also? I am doing a second treatment this weekend with interceptor for RB's, but going back to the OP, can I treat for flatworms at the same time with another med? Or should I hold off. After the first treatment I have yet to see a red bug(and I had a ton) so I will continue with the 3 separate treatment to make sure. I didn't realize I had flatworms untill after I started with the interceptor.
Also thanks for the link.
 
In the interest of full dislcolsure here's a recent acount of my experience with Levamisole from another thread, the good, the bad, the ungly.

This is good info, after my dip tonight I have started to get really fed up with these buggers. From most of my research it seems that most people did treatment in a seperate tank, this really isnt an option for me. I may just be giving this a try. The site you listed is out of stock but I think I have found another source.
 
^^That is for sure but maybe the RB kept the aefw under control? Hence killing off the RB let the aefw repopulate faster? IDK, just talking out of my *** here:hammer:

There may be some truth to that. The corals that I saw loaded with red bugs did not have a single aefw on when I dipped.
 
I have some Levamisole on the way. Should either have it tomorrow or Monday. I am going to treat according to Bax's recommendations. I don't have any shrimp or crabs, but do have a clam. I will keep you posted on how the treatment goes.
 
Bax, you mentioned in your first response that it treats red bugs also? I am doing a second treatment this weekend with interceptor for RB's, but going back to the OP, can I treat for flatworms at the same time with another med? Or should I hold off. After the first treatment I have yet to see a red bug(and I had a ton) so I will continue with the 3 separate treatment to make sure. I didn't realize I had flatworms untill after I started with the interceptor.
Also thanks for the link.

Finland

I researched Levamisole as a treatment for AEFWs. In that process, I found some reefers were also using it for RBs. I was suprised to see this, but at least one reefers whose opinion I greatly value, due to her absolute dedication to the hobby, uses the Levi to treat her RBs.

I think the AEFWs are by far the bigger issue. I'd treat with the Levamisole first. If you still observe that you have RBs afterward, you can then follow up with Interceptor. I would not do both at once as that's untested ground and there could be interaction between the two treatments.

But I'll say this, based upon my observations of my larger crustaceans, The RBs are likely to be toast. My Fire Shrimp & scarlet hemmits survivied, but they were not happy campers. Were they the size of a pin head, like RBs, I have to consider the treatment of the Levi a leathal event. That combined with the fact that others are claiming success against RBs with the Levamisole makes me about 99% sure it'll do the job on RBs too.

I'm trying to find the exact references that convinced me to attempt the Levamisole treatment. They are buried somewhere in the multitude of threads on the AEFW issue that I've followed. When I do find them I'll post them here.
 
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