Treating with Vitamin C

I guess I spoke too soon. After about a week my tank is cloudy. I cut back on the VC but it's still cloudy. Not terrible, but not crystal clear like before. Plus my skimmer is pulling a tea colored slime and very frothy. Any advice? I want clear water again!

The cloudy water thing is a bacteria bloom, it's due to adding a carbon source into your tank too quickly causing the bacteria to overgrow and strip a lot of phosphates and nitrates from the water in a short amount of time. It means you need to slow down on how much vitamin c you're dosing, which is hard seeing as how there's no standard for dosing vitamin c.

Again, all of the miracle "my tank is doing awesome now" things you see from vitamin c you'd probably also see from dosing nearly any other carbon source without the added danger of not knowing how much to dose nor other side effects like pH or large ORP swings.
 
Well, I stopped dosing VC to only have bigger problems. I went away for three days and came back to a tank covered in brown algae on the glass and diatoms on the sand. I couldn't believe this could happen in three days. I had taken out the chaeto in the back chamber because it was starting to die off because of low nitrates from the VC. I cleaned everything up and started dosing VC again. I will only do 1/8 tsp 2x daily and see how it goes. I really hate cleaning glass every day.
 
I'm not suggesting to not dose any carbon source, just that vodka and others are inherently much better and safer than vitamin c.
 
Remember to use the Vit C that is buffered. Just in case those of you who are using it without the buffer. I have used vodka and the Vit C but for some reason the SPS's I have did not look too well with the vodka. Dosing the Vit C really exports a lot of junk to my skimmer and although this may work with other carbon sources, VC works for me. My suggestion, experiment with low dosages and see how it does. Everyones system is unique and may act differently.
 
Does anyone use that iHerb stuff to dose food? I'm looking to add a Vitamin C supplement to my fishes' food and to add to the water when a new fish is in QT. I was dosing the tank with Brightwell Vitamarin-C but that is getting expensive. Thinking of cutting back to just treating the food on the DT side and only dose the water in the QT tank.

Edit: Searched this thread and didnt find anything but then I did a search in the prior thread and saw pufferpunk said not to add it to the food at one point. Guess that shoots down my idea. maybe its worth just doing a low level dose of Vit C with the iHerb stuff to maintain that Vit C level? I do treat food with selcon so that has some Vit C in it.
 
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I use pure powdered Vit C (really pure) from Willner Pharmacy in NYC ... and only need a very small amount so the cost remains minimal and add it to the food and a little to the tank once a week
 
Hi all, I know there are plenty of posts for dosing vitamin c specifically ascorbic acid however it all seems to be in powder form and dosed manually twice a day.

I'm looking for a way to dose this through my normal Doser I use for my cal and alk.
Wondering if anyone takes the powder and makes a liquid solution or if there is any other product on the market to make this a little more automated. Thanks in advance.
 
I don't think you can do automatic dosing due to the fact that VC loses it potency very fast when exposed to air in dry or liquid form.
 
Being new to reef keeping and zoa's, I've been doing quite a bit of reading on the various subjects. I found the vitamin c debate interesting and found the following posted at www.planetzoa.com, it is just over one month old.

Vitamin C and Zoas October 01 2013

Our customers often ask us where we stand on this issue, and we have always responded with an overwhelming word of caution. To briefly summarize for those unfamiliar with the concept, vitamin C (ascorbic acid) bound to a buffering agent (calcium or sodium) is added to the reef aquarium as a supplement for the purpose of promoting zoa health. Proponents have claimed reduced oxidative stress, resulting in enhanced immunity and overall vitality in polyps. The claims, though anecdotal, are not entirely without merit. Buffered ascorbate is a relatively benign substance to reef inhabitants, and further still can become a carbon food source for denitrifying bacteria. Which raises the question and first major criticism, that these anecdotal success stories are simply a result of the polyps reacting to improved water quality. Furthermore, ascorbate as a carbon source is inferior to other proven substances and presents unique challenges in dose calculation. A challenge that I can verify in my own experimentation. However, there is still the purported benefit of antioxidant capacity. Thus far my research has turned up not one study to prove integration of free form vitamin c into the reef organism. I've also yet to find any study regarding endogenous antioxidant levels, and whether zoanthids seek supplementation exogenously. Until a study is unearthed or a new study performed, we advise to err on the side of caution, and rely on scientifically justified means of achieving total polyp nirvana.
Interesting side note, humans, guinea pigs, and a few primates lack L-gulonolactone oxidase, rendering them incapable of producing vitamin C endogenously (internally). The entire rest of the animal kingdom possess this important genetic capability. The USDA recommends an adult 2 lb guinea pig be supplemented with 25 mg per day of vitamin C. The US RDA of the vitamin for adult humans to be 75-90 mg. That's about 1-2 percent of what's recommended for a guinea pig (adjusted for weight). Fortunately, humans have the ability to convert the oxidized form, DHAA, out of the cells and back into vitamin C in times of deficiency. A debate still rages on about how much dietary vitamin C is actually necessary. Curiously, DHAA crosses the blood brain barrier where it converts to vitamin C and performs its restorative magic as it easily crosses cell membranes. Maybe coral would more readily accept DHAA!! Hmm...I wonder if any reef supplements compliment this? Many land vegetables contain ascorbic acid oxidase, and enzyme which rapidly converts AA into DHAA. And though I havent found evidence for it, I suspect nori and spirulina sport this enzyme as well.
 
every time i try to click on iherb links i get a 404 not found page. what is the name of the vitamin c product you guys are using/recommend? i mainly want this as a supplement for my fish for good health /color.
 
I actually ordered it earlier however I have a few questions for you if you don't mind. How long have you been using it and has it messed with your ph? I read there's a buffered version of the vitamin c you can use that will not mess with your ph and this one doesn't seem to be buffered.
 
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