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That is a SICK tank!!! Not the first to say this but that is a dream tank of mine also (looks like your living multiple peoples dreams on here) I've never seen a large lunula like that, that long beak is something else! You can tell it is designed to chase food deep into the rock crevices.

Extremely beautiful fish and tank. Good luck and I hope it works out for the best
 
:headwally:bummer that you are prepared for them to die...beautiful fish, awesome specimins...and some are going to suffer a scary death...so many in here have commented on what not to do with triggers, this is a prime example...i would not put fish that collection of fish, that large in my 1,000 gallon, and I am all about t and a...just sayin, sorry...been a salt nerd for 25+ years and this justy kills me...and this is not right...:headwally::headwally::confused::confused::headwally::headwally:headwallblue::headwallblue:
 
the lunula's eyes are set so far back, as are many triggers, so the can eat sea urchins and not get their eyes poked out...a great fish...i have the last baby lunula dd had this past sept..
 
are you worried about the clown and blue line going postal humaguy?

how are you shooting those slow speed videos? I watched that one of your dog, thats hilarious! looks just like mine
 
That Clown Trigger is something else! Never been a fan of the Lunala, but seeing a larger one, I like it a bit more. Curious if your tank is glass or acrylic, and if acrylic, have the fish scratched it at all (with their teeth)?
 
the clown will go postal just a matter of time..i think the fuscus will go first...in that tank when one starts it will set off smaller bouts and gang ons...these are aggressive fish, and unless you have a big tank...do not do this...a waste of money and these poor fish are stressing daily....these are all very dangerous fish...the fuscus or clown, that big, will kill everything in the tank or torment it to the point of death, within a couple hours....when you dive and see these very fish, this big and larger, alone, you know why...they kill eachother...there is no escape in this tank...
 
the clown will go postal just a matter of time..i think the fuscus will go first...in that tank when one starts it will set off smaller bouts and gang ons...these are aggressive fish, and unless you have a big tank...do not do this...a waste of money and these poor fish are stressing daily....these are all very dangerous fish...the fuscus or clown, that big, will kill everything in the tank or torment it to the point of death, within a couple hours....when you dive and see these very fish, this big and larger, alone, you know why...they kill eachother...there is no escape in this tank...

I certainly agree that any 14 inch Trigger coming into captivity at that size is "dangerous", IMO it's much different than adding a 3 inch C.T. and him growing in captivity to 14 inches in 7 years or so....Nonetheless, I personally try to avoid making definitive proclamations in regards to "guaranteeing behavior" with any given fish. There is a store in Chaleston SC (Tideline Aquatics) that used to have an 8 inch Passer Angel in a display tank that tormented a larger Clown Trigger he shared the tank with. You really never know.

I'm curious if perhaps these fish were "trade ins" or if they came from the wild so large.:hmm2:
 
:headwally:bummer that you are prepared for them to die...beautiful fish, awesome specimins...and some are going to suffer a scary death...so many in here have commented on what not to do with triggers, this is a prime example...i would not put fish that collection of fish, that large in my 1,000 gallon, and I am all about t and a...just sayin, sorry...been a salt nerd for 25+ years and this justy kills me...and this is not right...:headwally::headwally::confused::confused::headwally::headwally:headwallblue::headwallblue:

I am not sure if your trying to bait me into an arguement BUT PLEASE Do not put words in my mouth .I am not prepared for them to die .why would you say that?




Are you the fish wisperer? In your 25 years experiance have you ever seen anything strange or an exception to the rule ,or have you been predicting fish behavior 100% accuratley.I hope your wrong as I said earlier and if your right I will do what needs to be done to assure the fish are taken care of propperly.Thanks for your aspersions(unkind daydreams of what i would do)
 
didnt mean to put words in your mouth..but when you say..."I promise no matter what happens to update the thread so people can learn from my mistakes or my luck.."

many have posted about these "experiments" and "mistakes" but they end in failure...however people continue to try...

With triggers, especially large clowns and fuscus that are already "alpha" species..this is a recipe for disaster...
 
the sticky on "mixing of aggressive fish rules that i broke ending in disaster" should be read...
just out of curiosity...what happens if the attacks happen when you are not sitting in front of your tank watching?

good luck and I do hope i am wrong...keep updating...

and no, with large triggers, like clowns and fuscus..there really are no exceptions...it is just a matter of time...
 
This comment from the sticky makes perfect sense to all of us in the hobby for a while...

I think this touches on two important points, which are a factor in both the hobby, and the forum / RC:

(1) "Sucess" in this hobby is something which is detemrined in years, not in weeks or months

(2) Just because we can do something (or at least think we can), it does not necesarily mean that we should.

Similarly, this thread touches on the two fish groups that this most frequently applies to: triggers and angels.

I am all too oftten reading lately that certain people have had "great sucess" with an angel in a reef tank, or keeping multiple angels, or keeping angels with lionfish and ambush predators etc. But how do we measure sucess, and what do we consider to be a minimum level of decency when it comes to caring for our fish? Is it sucess if you manage to keep two "large" angels in a 120 or 180 for 12 months..... 18 months ??? Or should sucess be defined as keeping those same two angels together, without serious incident, for the majority of their natural life span? Is it enough for our fish to merely subsist, before dying a premature death, or should we strive for our fish to thrive and live out a long life in our care? For my part, I think the latter should be our objective...... and simply wishing it, does not make it so. We all need to temper our dreams with a touch of reality, and wake up to the fact that, like the OP, none of us are special..... none of us are "exempt" from the rules...... gravity applies to everyone equally I'm afraid, and as much as we would like to believe that we each posess some uniquite skill and ability that lets us levitate above the mere mortal hobbiests, the simple fact is that we do not. The bottom line is that we, most of us, do not challenge convention, we simply disregard it and through it out the window, and write our own rules to justify what we know deep down to be wrong. Fundametally, there are two type of people out there..... those that care what is right and wrong, and those that do not. The majority of us fall somewhere in between in that we care, but not enough to do the right thing all the time..... so we simply strive to do our best...... my concern is that we purposely set the bar so lo for ourselves, that our best is nothing more than a facilitator to give ourselves the moral license to continue. I personally would never judge someone for their opinion, and just because I may disagree with someones opinion, it does not mean that I think they are a bad person or anything melodramitc like that, but I would urge the vast majority of the people here to think for 5 minutes, and see can they really convince themselves that they are doing the "right thing" in this hobby.

We are none of us stupid, we do not need one another to point out everything, all the time...... but stupidity is defined as doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Yet, we all make the same mistakes...... temptation knocks, and we answer, time and time again...... and each time we hear the same stories..... my clown trigger went nutts, my angel ate my corals, my passer murdered everything, my angel suddenly died for no reason........ we read hat we are supposed to do, we are told by experts what we should not do, but because we see someone else's short term sucess we use it as an enabler, and within a few years the predicitons of conventional wisdom nearly always come to pass. So, the next time you are about to post "can I keep a queen angel and a emperor angel in my 180, along with my blue face", stand back and think about long term stories about that expierence of people who have been doing it for 6 years, rather than using your buddy in your local club as the poster child who has been doing it for 6 months, and then ask yourself the question - "do I really need to ask"?

Conventional wisdom is something which has come about through decades of expierence, and is championed by such people as Bob Fenner. We would do well to listen more, and do less.
 
That Clown Trigger is something else! Never been a fan of the Lunala, but seeing a larger one, I like it a bit more. Curious if your tank is glass or acrylic, and if acrylic, have the fish scratched it at all (with their teeth)?

Thanks and no the fish have not scratched my tank but my brother did
 
are you worried about the clown and blue line going postal humaguy?

how are you shooting those slow speed videos? I watched that one of your dog, thats hilarious! looks just like mine

thanks It's a pressa canario .what kind of dog do you have?
 
those are some badass fish.

about how big is that monster puffer? what kind of puffer is it, sorry i dont know much about ID'ing puffers.
 
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