Tropic marine Pro salt with new formula.

[Defense]

Any one having issue/trouble with the new formula of the Tropic marine pro salt since they just release this formula around a month ago? The new formula of Tropic Marine Pro is very low on Alk, Cal and Mag.
I got into these problem burning tip like alkalinity burn,tip melting, slowly STN colony to colonies when I was using TMP, now I switched to another salt then I do not have any issue. I also see other southern california Reefers got into the same my problem when they are using TMP salt.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1962047
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1942271

I was contacted Lou Ekus (the Big Fish) Director of US Operations and he stated his comment below that make no sense to me.

" As I have told you MANY times by phone. The ALK of Pro-REEF is intentionally set at between 6-6.5 dKh. If you want to maintain a higher ALK than that, you should be using the original formula. The ALK pf Pro-REEF is set where it is to accommodate for VERY LONG term use of reactors that tend to raise ALK over long term use.In our original mix, because we use ALL UNCHELATED Ca, the Ca is around 380 ppm and the Mg is around 1200 ppm. Those parameters work well concidering the small water changes of 10-20% and the fact that you will have to supplement Ca and Mg EVERY DAY in your tank anyway."

What do you think about this statement from Lou Ekus?

 

[OregonReefer]

I read into that two things...

One, you might be a stalker :lol2: May want to look into that

Two... It sounds like he's saying Alk, Cal and Mag are low so you can steadly dose up to them as opposed to trying to remove excess levels

 

[noobtothereef]

It sounds like he told you MANY times what the parameters are intentionally. I wouldnt try to bash him, it sounds like they have done alot of research on what the parameters should be in a reef salt, the low alk numbers are for carbon dosers since ALOT of people carbon dose now, and the other numbers are so you can dose up your personal preferences. And i second hat oregon said, "One, you might be a stalker May want to look into that"

 

[Defense]

Do you think it's worth for you to pay a lot money $80 for a bucket, then you need to supplement on Cal, ALK and Mag? Some of reefers add/buffered to level they want, but they still got burning tip like alkalinity burn,tip melting, slowly STN colony to colonies.

Why would anybody pay more money to get less of something.
Thats almost like paying for a Mercedes and getting a Nissan. lol

 

[Defense]

What's mean UNCHELATED CA? I do not understand since I never hear of it.

 

[d0ughb0y]

read the description of aquavitro calcification product.

http://www.aquavitro.com/Products/calcification.html

your calcium level does not need to be as high, and the target value is 380.

as for supplementing salt mix, unless the salt mix contains more ca, alk, etc than NSW, a water change will not make up for what is consumed by your livestock, hence supplementing will be needed.

 

[James404]

Perfect salt for zeovit users, I see no problem with this at all, it is hard to find salts that will work for ULNS. Currently the most common ones in use are TMPR, DD H2Ocean and Red Sea Coral Pro

 

[bertoni]

I'm not convinced that the calcium in the aquavitro is chelated. Calcium gluconate certainly isn't, and it would function much like calcium acetate in that it would provide alkalinity and calcium in a balanced ratio, along with some carbon dosing effect. The polygluconate version should be a salt, as well, but the polymer chain might or might not be metabolized. If it is, it will add alkalinity. I certainly didn't like the SeaChem product: it tended to cause microbial blooms. Randy has recommended against using calcium polygluconate a number of times.

 

[this is me]

My new bucket of TMP is measuring at 7dKH. I'll be exchanging it for another bucket and this time I will ask the guy to mix a little bit of of the new salt and measure alk and ca before I bring it home.
This is very disappointing. I've been using TMP for over 8 years now and it has always been consistence and reliable. Now, if this new formula is what it is, then I really don't know what else to look at.

 

[gary faulkner]

Perfect salt for zeovit users, I see no problem with this at all, it is hard to find salts that will work for ULNS. Currently the most common ones in use are TMPR, DD H2Ocean and Red Sea Coral Pro

How about Oceanic, what's your thought on this salt for ULNS?

TIA

 

[Vinny Kreyling]

If you want High Ca 450, High MG 1400 & ALK of 9.8
look into the ESV salt mix.

 

[d0ughb0y]

I'm not convinced that the calcium in the aquavitro is chelated. Calcium gluconate certainly isn't, and it would function much like calcium acetate in that it would provide alkalinity and calcium in a balanced ratio, along with some carbon dosing effect. The polygluconate version should be a salt, as well, but the polymer chain might or might not be metabolized. If it is, it will add alkalinity. I certainly didn't like the SeaChem product: it tended to cause microbial blooms. Randy has recommended against using calcium polygluconate a number of times.

sorry for the confusion. that was meant to point out that there are other ways to keep calcium at 380 (just as the TMP salt mentioned in this thread). This is no different from another thread where the salt mixes warm and people immediately conclude there is something wrong with the salt.

Not sure what the seachem talk down is all about and its relation to this thread. readers should just keep an open mind when reading and there is always more than one way to achieve the desired end result and that no one is infallible.