True Personifer Info Thread... Post your pictures and experiences

flame, awesome man!! Can you give us some tank details like tank size and dimensions, skimmer,livestock, etc...

I'll take some better pics and video of mine interacting with the blueline in the coming days. Oh, try finding live bloodworms for them. I think thats whats gotten mine so thick.
 
The tank is a standard 180 (72x24x24) and started out with Tunze 9010 skimmer then added a Bubble Master 200 as the bioload increased. My plan is that the meredithi pair and semilarvatus will stay and the rest will go into the new system once the upgrade is complete.

The current angel mates are: pair of Blueline, pair of lemonpeel and trio of flame. The other pair is magnificent foxface.
 
ENT, when are we gonna see some pics of your fish and setup???

I would love to see my fish myself! I haven't been in FL for 3 weeks and don't plan on going back for a few months.

I may set up a smaller tank in Manhattan while my "project" is under construction so I can bring up the Personifer and Scribbled.

I'll ask someone to take pics of my fish next time they are in my house in FL.
 
Flame, awesome looking fish. That first photo looks like they are a natural pair!

You should post on Jawsee's thread see what he thinks.
 
Ent, will do in couple of days. Few days ago I noticed a very faint line on the tail and looks more like what the other one went through. If the stripe is coming it should only take a few more days to confirm.
 
Here you go.... He seems to be about 3.75" and no sign of any stripage yet

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The following is an excerpt from an email from LA in which Kevin Kohen went into detail regarding differences between the two species of personifers. I contacted LA after noticing that mine was getting bigger and hadn't developed the well known stripe. Kevin informed me that even though most get the stripe some do not and that there are many other defining characteristics to determine whether it is a true personifer or not. Here is what they sent me... (They are awesome)


"Kevin Kohen has provided us with some example images of fishes for both species: False Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodontoplus meredithi and Western Australian True Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodontoplus personifer, all of which are about the same size specimens.

In addition, he mentioned that he in the process of preparing an article on the morphology and distinguishing characteristics of these two species in an effort to dispel some myths and hopefully add to the scientific and taxonomic literature on these fishes.

Attached are numerous images of both species, including the image that that you provided.

There are a few distinct differences between these two species that can be easily seen when they are young which include:


1) Western Australian True Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodon personifer have a distinct yellow and white first dorsal spine, where as C. meredithi have a black first dorsal spine.

2) Western Australian True Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodon personifer have a distinct yellow pectoral fin (side fin) with varying thicknesses and shades of black at the peduncle (where the fin meets the body). Chaetodon meredithi have an all black pectoral fin outlined in yellow.

3) Chaetodon meredithi have a distinct, dark black mark that resembles a spot in the same coloration as the fishes’ main body, which resides close to the base of the yellow pelvic fins on the fishes’ chest. Chaetodontoplus personifer lack distinct mark.


These are the major characteristics that Kevin has identified which differentiate these two species when they are juveniles, small females, or immature males and can be observed when the fish are in the 3-10 CM range."




My next post will include several pictures of True Personifers while the following post will have several False Personifers. These photos are mainly Liveaquarias and a few of mine.
 
Interesting, between the dorsal spine and the pectoral fins I now think it's extremely easy to differentiate between the 2! Thanks for this!
 
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Had some pics emailed from Florida today. Still no stripe!

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Can't wait to get these Aussie guys brought up to NYC.
 
The following is an excerpt from an email from LA in which Kevin Kohen went into detail regarding differences between the two species of personifers. I contacted LA after noticing that mine was getting bigger and hadn't developed the well known stripe. Kevin informed me that even though most get the stripe some do not and that there are many other defining characteristics to determine whether it is a true personifer or not. Here is what they sent me... (They are awesome)


"Kevin Kohen has provided us with some example images of fishes for both species: False Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodontoplus meredithi and Western Australian True Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodontoplus personifer, all of which are about the same size specimens.

In addition, he mentioned that he in the process of preparing an article on the morphology and distinguishing characteristics of these two species in an effort to dispel some myths and hopefully add to the scientific and taxonomic literature on these fishes.

Attached are numerous images of both species, including the image that that you provided.

There are a few distinct differences between these two species that can be easily seen when they are young which include:


1) Western Australian True Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodon personifer have a distinct yellow and white first dorsal spine, where as C. meredithi have a black first dorsal spine.

2) Western Australian True Personifer Angelfish- Chaetodon personifer have a distinct yellow pectoral fin (side fin) with varying thicknesses and shades of black at the peduncle (where the fin meets the body). Chaetodon meredithi have an all black pectoral fin outlined in yellow.

3) Chaetodon meredithi have a distinct, dark black mark that resembles a spot in the same coloration as the fishes’ main body, which resides close to the base of the yellow pelvic fins on the fishes’ chest. Chaetodontoplus personifer lack distinct mark.


These are the major characteristics that Kevin has identified which differentiate these two species when they are juveniles, small females, or immature males and can be observed when the fish are in the 3-10 CM range."

Sorry for the typos in the email reply, all of these should read Chaetodontoplus not Chaetodon. I hope this information helps everyone differentiate between the two species.

Happy Fishkeeping!
 
6 Months Update

6 Months Update

It's been a little over six months since the first one (3.5") came in and a little over 5 months since the second one (2.5") came in. Both are eating pretty well and the larger personifer has outgrew the smaller meredithi even though the meredithi was about 0.25" bigger 6 months ago. Both had their stripes formed 3 weeks into the tank and the stripes (was pretty thin on both) came and went. Ive to look very close to see the very light line there and both appears to have more yellow on their body now. Anyone else experience this with their personifer? Would love to see updates from others.

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It's been a little over six months since the first one (3.5") came in and a little over 5 months since the second one (2.5") came in. Both are eating pretty well and the larger personifer has outgrew the smaller meredithi even though the meredithi was about 0.25" bigger 6 months ago. Both had their stripes formed 3 weeks into the tank and the stripes (was pretty thin on both) came and went. Ive to look very close to see the very light line there and both appears to have more yellow on their body now. Anyone else experience this with their personifer? Would love to see updates from others.

I was told mine still has no stripe but there is much more yellow in the head now. I just picked up another rarity we will post pics of in about a month when he is out of qt.

I'll try and get some new pics of the Personifer
 
how come true and false personifers are so hard to come by? nyaquatics had a few, but i wasnt ready for them. they're all sold now.

i might've seen 1 true and 1 false personifer on LA all this yr.
 
True Personifer Quick Pics

True Personifer Quick Pics

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Pictures were taken before the tank was cleaned... don't ask me why.

I'll try and get some better ones soon of the Personifer, Scribbled, and my new addition who is in qt right now!
 
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Great Picture! could be brighter though...

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Favorite yet! Follow the leader....
 
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