Tswifty8's 220g Upgrade!

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13304867#post13304867 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by itZme
T.J. are you going to build a small fish room and isulate it inside the garage? If not what are your plans for when it is 15 below zero and the garage is down to like 10 degrees? You will either need a few 1,000 watt heaters or have to heat your entire garage. I could see making a small enclosure that is vented to the inside and well insulated so it will be maybe 10 degrees cooler than the house but MUCH warmer than the garage.

Just a little early concern for your new, bigger, better build thread

If you ever need any help let me know. I can swing out there sometime and help plumb or drill the tank or even build a few walls with ya

Any concern/advice/ideas are always welcomed.

I know I'm going to need a lot of help planning a system of this size.

I just ran out and did a rough measurement. The garage is only like 10-1/2' wide by 20' long, and a car has to fit in there. I'm trying to stick the equipment on an "L" shaped table that will be situated in the corner of the garage. Building some type of an enclosure sounds like it's going to be a must... creating one that takes up minimal room, while allowing access to all the equipment is another story.

Maybe I could make the table enclosed like a stand?

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13304906#post13304906 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by itZme
I was also thinking this might be a better method of plumbing since you will already have to move the tank from the wall for the rear external overflow. Without the plumbing sticking out the back you can get it about 3-4 inches closer.

Yeah that makes more sense. Do you have any thoughts about getting the glass routed? Do you think this will mess with the integrity of the tank?

The tank isn't eurobraced or anything, and if I get the back pane routed, I imagine they would have to cut through plastic frame on the rear.

 

[timschmidt]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305050#post13305050 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
:lol:

Trying to put on paper what I'm visualizing for the equipment layout.

I'm going to make an "L" shaped table with two levels for the garage, and would like to use two 75 gallon tanks for the sump & refugium. Also I would like to incorporate a manifold on this tank to run all the little stuff, rather than using all individual pumps.

Can you label the parts on the lower level? I see the skimmer and two pumps (I think)

 

[Michael]

well done T.J. good idea about sticking all the kit in the garage, nice tank as well, your going to need a bit more rock:lol:

 

[OwNeD162]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305037#post13305037 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
Thanks.

I'm not worried about putting a few smalls holes in the wall. I've already had to patch the walls a few times from other incidents. My landlord is pretty cool about that stuff. As long as the place looks like it did when you moved in, when you move out. He doesn't care.

That being said... I don't plan on picking up a sledghammer or anything like that :lol:

Awesome

The L Shaped table sounds like a good idea.
Enclosing it like a regular stand also sounds like a good idea, and if you used some form of roof insulation on the inside that would definitely stop temperature fluctuations. And if you then just had a fan blowing out air it would ensure nothing cooked. As for the top part, I have no idea how you would successfully enclose the fuge and lights and still make it functional... Have to see if anyone else comes up with something... :lol:

 

[Tangweed]

New thread good idea. Are you going to keep 2 tanks running or just switch over to the 220? What is wrong with the current stand, not strong enough?

 

[Vazroth]

Nice Find on the tank.. I never get that lucky!

As i am getting ready to do a 150g build I'll tag along as well, maybe i can gain some Ideas as to what i really want out of my system..

and your other thread is great!! this one will be better!

Vaz

 

[kar93]

Don't know what to say so I'll just subscribe.

 

[2frosty4u]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13303934#post13303934 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TankBusters
I just built that same DIY stand with 2x6's. It came out great but I am just not happy about toe nailing the purple boards.

You should add the lime green boards to stiffen up the stand to prevent it from racking under the weight. This will give you a much stronger corner and allow you to get around the toenailing issue you mentioned.

 

[2frosty4u]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305050#post13305050 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
:lol:

Trying to put on paper what I'm visualizing for the equipment layout.

I'm going to make an "L" shaped table with two levels for the garage, and would like to use two 75 gallon tanks for the sump & refugium. Also I would like to incorporate a manifold on this tank to run all the little stuff, rather than using all individual pumps.

Why are you planning on 2 pumps? I do what you're showing with one pump. When I first set up this system I installed a header T'eed off the return to a manifold to run things like carbon reactors or what ever I choose. Since then I've changed the plumbing a bit. Because my sump is in the basement the 2" drain line that comes from the main floor runs completely down to the basement floor where another manifold (inline in drain) is plumbed in so I can utillize pressure built up through the height of the water column to drive reactors without a pump at all. The drain then turns back up like a plumbing P trap to feed the FOWLR which then drains into the sump. This upturn keeps the drain full of water before the manifold to increase the natural pressure at the outlets.
I would also consider raising the outlet bulkhead of the fuge above the top of your Display tank so you can gravity feed it instaed of draining back into the sump where the pods are going to get beat up going through the pump. My sump is under a work bench like your drawing shows and has the Fowlr above it instead of the fuge, it is a PITA to work on somedays because I dont have alot of room between the sump and the shelf supporting the Fowlr. By raising your fuge you will have more room to fidget around in the sump. My fuge is off to the side of the fowlr on an L shaped affair like you spoke of earlier.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305837#post13305837 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 2frosty4u
Why are you planning on 2 pumps? I do what you're showing with one pump. When I first set up this system I installed a header T'eed off the return to a manifold to run things like carbon reactors or what ever I choose. Since then I've changed the plumbing a bit. Because my sump is in the basement the 2" drain line that comes from the main floor runs completely down to the basement floor where another manifold (inline in drain) is plumbed in so I can utillize pressure built up through the height of the water column to drive reactors without a pump at all. The drain then turns back up like a plumbing P trap to feed the FOWLR which then drains into the sump. This upturn keeps the drain full of water before the manifold to increase the natural pressure at the outlets.
I would also consider raising the outlet bulkhead of the fuge above the top of your Display tank so you can gravity feed it instaed of draining back into the sump where the pods are going to get beat up going through the pump. My sump is under a work bench like your drawing shows and has the Fowlr above it instead of the fuge, it is a PITA to work on somedays because I dont have alot of room between the sump and the shelf supporting the Fowlr. By raising your fuge you will have more room to fidget around in the sump. My fuge is off to the side of the fowlr on an L shaped affair like you spoke of earlier.

I think one of the pumps is for the closed loop??

IMO a 75 gal sump is a waste---if it is just to house equipment.
I would add another fuge with deep sand bed and live rock only.

I think the 2 inch pvc lines are a real asset to Harolds system too.

I'm not trying to be critical here TJ---I am with you all the way on this because I am on deck after the power hitter

 

[timschmidt]

Wow. I'm getting lots of good ideas! Hopefully my townhouse will sell and when I move into the single family home I can scrape up enough for my big tank. :_

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13306075#post13306075 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by timschmidt
Wow. I'm getting lots of good ideas! Hopefully my townhouse will sell and when I move into the single family home I can scrape up enough for my big tank. :_

GOTTCHA first this time

I agree with you Tim--I am actually starting to print this thread off

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305438#post13305438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tangweed
New thread good idea. Are you going to keep 2 tanks running or just switch over to the 220? What is wrong with the current stand, not strong enough?

Once the 220 is up and running, I plan on transferring everything from the 90 into it, then taking it down. I just don't want to maintain two large systems.

There's a small possibility it may get turned into a FOWLR tank for Laura, but I doubt it.

As far as the stand goes... There's nothing wrong with the current stand, I would just like to build something a little nicer, and a little taller. Probably similar to will16's stand.

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305444#post13305444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vazroth
Nice Find on the tank.. I never get that lucky!

As i am getting ready to do a 150g build I'll tag along as well, maybe i can gain some Ideas as to what i really want out of my system..

and your other thread is great!! this one will be better!

Vaz

Thanks

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305564#post13305564 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kar93
Don't know what to say so I'll just subscribe.

:lol: :thumbsup:

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13305837#post13305837 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 2frosty4u
Why are you planning on 2 pumps? I do what you're showing with one pump. When I first set up this system I installed a header T'eed off the return to a manifold to run things like carbon reactors or what ever I choose. Since then I've changed the plumbing a bit. Because my sump is in the basement the 2" drain line that comes from the main floor runs completely down to the basement floor where another manifold (inline in drain) is plumbed in so I can utillize pressure built up through the height of the water column to drive reactors without a pump at all. The drain then turns back up like a plumbing P trap to feed the FOWLR which then drains into the sump. This upturn keeps the drain full of water before the manifold to increase the natural pressure at the outlets.
I would also consider raising the outlet bulkhead of the fuge above the top of your Display tank so you can gravity feed it instaed of draining back into the sump where the pods are going to get beat up going through the pump. My sump is under a work bench like your drawing shows and has the Fowlr above it instead of the fuge, it is a PITA to work on somedays because I dont have alot of room between the sump and the shelf supporting the Fowlr. By raising your fuge you will have more room to fidget around in the sump. My fuge is off to the side of the fowlr on an L shaped affair like you spoke of earlier.

The second pump is what I was considering to run a manifold, although after I made the drawing... I think there may be a better way to plumb it, similiar to what you explained.

As far as raising the fuge above the display tank... I don't think I would be able to do that. I would have to raise the extremely high to acheive that. I didn't finish the fuge drain line, but plan on having it empty into the return section. That way the pods should be a little dizy, but will still make it to the display tank.

I've thought about the maintenance part also. The good thing with building the bench, will be that I can customize it to my needs, and make sure there is enough room to move comfortably underneath. Although, this is just a first crack at a design... and I see it changing quite a bit before the final one is put in place.

 

[kar93]

If you take a look at Ryan's build he has alot of great ideas which you might be able to incorporate into the tank.

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13306052#post13306052 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
I think one of the pumps is for the closed loop??

IMO a 75 gal sump is a waste---if it is just to house equipment.
I would add another fuge with deep sand bed and live rock only.

I think the 2 inch pvc lines are a real asset to Harolds system too.

I'm not trying to be critical here TJ---I am with you all the way on this because I am on deck after the power hitter

If I do decide to run a closed loop setup, the closed loop pump will more than likely be housed under the stand on the other side of the wall. Similiar to this:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-10/totm/index.php

I was considering 1-1/2" drain lines, but the capability of a 1" drain under siphon is around 1,500 GPH I believe. The current system I use runs silent, and is capable of moving upwards of 3,000 GPH. Since I'll be looking at a return pump somewhere in the range of 1,000 to 2,000 GPH, I'm going to stick with my current system.

As far as the sump goes... I want to make sure all my equipment runs within a container, so if anything would happen to leak or overflow it won't cause problems. Therefore the sump will need to be large enough to comfortably house my: Skimmer, Calcium Reactor, GFO Reactor, Carbon Reactor... etc...

 

[seanb]

Perfect timing! I was just thinking of upgrading my own 90g to a 220. Looking good!
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