Tunze Stream control?

I got nothing but straight flow from the program above.

I am getting nothing but straight flow from the program below:

TU1#-E03
TU2#-E04
TM1$-C01
TM2$-C02
DAY$-C03
CHS$-C04
FO1$-C05
FO2$-C06
FOO$-C07

Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2
Pmp MODE sd for PF3
Pmp MODE sd for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF4
Pmp OSC 13/13/00 for PF1
Pmp OSC 00/13/13 for PF2
Pmp OSC 05/20/15 for PF3
Pmp OSC 15/30/15 for PF4
If Time > 09:00 Then DAY ON
If Time > 21:00 Then DAY OFF
If Time > 15:00 Then CHS ON
If Time > 16:00 Then CHS OFF
RND 015/010 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 020/010 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON
If Timer DAY = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer DAY = ON Then TU2 PF2
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM1 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM2 OFF
If Timer TM1 = ON Then TU1 PF3
If Timer TM2 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer DAY = OFF Then TU1 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then TU2 PF4
 
The times I have seen the AS do straight flow was when it wasn't communicating properly. Here are a couple of things to try :

1. Try to manually turn one of the tunzes on and off using the Manual Control menu. ON should be equivalent to 100% and OFF should be 0%. When you set it manually to ON does the corresponding LED for that pump light up (above the pump connection port) ? When you set it to OFF does the light go off ? Do any of the LEDs go one or off over any of the ports ? If they do then the cable to the pumps may be in the wrong port.

**just remember to put them back to Auto before exiting the menu** yes, I made that mistake once and could not for the life of me figure out why the timer wasn't working.. and no, the little 'm' on the display didn't tip me off either :(

2. Power cycle the AC. I read somewhere that the AS only gets sent it's marching orders on boot up, or something to that affect.

3. After the power cycle try #1 again (unless it worked the first time, then never mind).

Let us know how those work out for you. I will be around throughout the weekend (and tomorrow) to reply to posts of your results.

If you make it all the way to #3 and it still fails, then check the dip switches and your timer timer addresses for the AS. Also make sure that your cables are plugged into the correct port on the AS. When the program above is running you should see each pair of LEDs blinking back and forth with each other (when in day mode).
 
yea, I had to do that also on ours. I scratched my head for a while before remembering that "tip". I tried just going into setup and then back into "Run" mode.. but that wasn't enough.. gotta power fail the bugger :)

Glad to hear that you were able to get it working. You will have to post how your flow is once you get it tweaked and dialed in for your tank :)
 
with the modded MP40 (the old, not the new driver) I think it only goes down to 30% or so when told to shut off (so more than just a slow spin IMO). I am working on picking up a pair of WWDs to mod to see if they would make any difference. If I recall, I read somewhere that they can get all the way down to 10% speed. I ordered the WWDs from Premium Aquatics earlier this week and hope to have them by next Monday.
 
Question :)

Since the AC Jr does not support a battery backup power port, can it recognize a power outage?

Reason why I ask is so that my tunzes can be set to 30% off a backup power source. Sort of like the 7095 if you were using the night mode.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11233723#post11233723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mcurl98
I just completed my WWD mods today. 10% seems about right.
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What is a WWD mod?


The program I am using seems to be working fine. I may tweak the timing to better match my tank size, but I am pleased with the general program set up. The problem that I am dealing with now is that the program sticks. In other words, when the day timer turns off and the program goes into night mode, the program hangs up. Or when the day mode kicks in, the program hangs up. If I reboot the ACIII, then the program will kick in and start working properly. It doesn't appear to be a programming issues, but more an issue with how the AS/ACIII communicate.

Any ideas?


TU1#-E03
TU2#-E04
TM1$-C01
TM2$-C02
DAY$-C03
CHS$-C04
FO1$-C05
FO2$-C06
FOO$-C07

Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2
Pmp MODE sd for PF3
Pmp MODE sd for PF4
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp Int 030/075 for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF4
Pmp OSC 13/13/00 for PF1
Pmp OSC 00/13/13 for PF2
Pmp OSC 05/20/15 for PF3
Pmp OSC 15/30/15 for PF4
If Time > 08:00 Then DAY ON
If Time > 19:00 Then DAY OFF
If Time > 15:00 Then CHS ON
If Time > 16:00 Then CHS OFF
RND 015/010 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 020/010 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON
If Timer DAY = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer DAY = ON Then TU2 PF2
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM1 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM2 OFF
If Timer TM1 = ON Then TU1 PF3
If Timer TM2 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer DAY = OFF Then TU1 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then TU2 PF4
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11239578#post11239578 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jglackin
What is a WWD mod?
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It is a modification of the Vortec Wireless Wave Driver to allow it to be connected to and controlled by the AS

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11239578#post11239578 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jglackin
The program I am using seems to be working fine. I may tweak the timing to better match my tank size, but I am pleased with the general program set up. The problem that I am dealing with now is that the program sticks. In other words, when the day timer turns off and the program goes into night mode, the program hangs up. Or when the day mode kicks in, the program hangs up. If I reboot the ACIII, then the program will kick in and start working properly. It doesn't appear to be a programming issues, but more an issue with how the AS/ACIII communicate.

Any ideas?
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Outside of cable issues (bad cable or cable running too near power lines or other interference) or a problem with the AS or AC III itself I am at a loss. Hopefully Curt will be checking this forum later on today and have some ideas.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11239578#post11239578 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jglackin
The problem that I am dealing with now is that the program sticks. In other words, when the day timer turns off and the program goes into night mode, the program hangs up. Or when the day mode kicks in, the program hangs up. If I reboot the ACIII, then the program will kick in and start working properly. It doesn't appear to be a programming issues, but more an issue with how the AS/ACIII communicate.

Any ideas?
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I am also having the same problem but am using an AC Jr. It's been going on for about a week now. It'll be fine, then at least 2x a day I need to unplug the AC Jr to get the AS back on track (AC Jr has no reboot).
It's going ito night mode before it's schedule and usually one pump but sometimes both. What's really weird is that it will go into a random chaotic flow which I don't even have the syntax lines for.
Kind of fustrating and almost wanna give up on the unit and go back to a 7095.
 
sounds like maybe Curt could address that in the next firmware update ? Some sort of more active polling between the AS and AC units. I also wonder if the input voltage to the AS is causing any problems and using a separate AC Adaptor would resolve it ? I say this because on our Vortec mod we had one of our pumps go into a "stall" and that caused the AS to stop functioning properly (all of the pumps were just "doing their own thing"). Once I cleared the stall (similar to a tunze stall, but no piercing alarm) the AS started getting back on track and had "Corrected" itself within a minute.
 
I would love to see the OSC statements that everyone is using to get a good wave. The OSC statement and tank dimensions would be great :). I am still trying to dial in a decent wave on ours. Thanks :)
 
Tom,

You ever wonder how a single wavebox with one pump can generate a decent wave (1"-1.5" in my 180g) and here we're trying to tinker with 2 or more pumps to get some of the same results :lol:
 
Hehehe, yea, I know, but the advantage is that 1. We don't need to try to hide yet another huge in-tank pump (or in this case wavebox) and 2. We don't need to spend another $500 on same said wavebox (just $200 on the AS and years off of our lives trying to tune it :)). But the AS also brings that additional level of control that the other Tunze controllers don't, so I am just trying to look at the wave as an added bonus, not the main reason for the AS. And I think that my bonus got lost in the mail :(

But seriously, I am not giving up hope just yet... others have succeeded, so there is still hope for us :D
 
Question for Curt : are the resonate frequenices in the AS documentation meant for 1 or 2 pump operation ?

If they are for single pump operation to make a wave then should we half the off/on values for dual opposing pump operation to achieve a wave ? Or would the values be the same whether using single or dual opposing pumps (for wave creation) ?

Thanks :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11241200#post11241200 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
sounds like maybe Curt could address that in the next firmware update ? Some sort of more active polling between the AS and AC units. I also wonder if the input voltage to the AS is causing any problems and using a separate AC Adaptor would resolve it ? I say this because on our Vortec mod we had one of our pumps go into a "stall" and that caused the AS to stop functioning properly (all of the pumps were just "doing their own thing"). Once I cleared the stall (similar to a tunze stall, but no piercing alarm) the AS started getting back on track and had "Corrected" itself within a minute.
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Curt?
 
The resonate frequency is the same whether it is one pump or two. The pump on the opposite of the tank is just 180 degrees out of phase with the other pump.
It is easiest find the resonate frequency of the tank by shutting off all pumps, and then have the AS control just one pump. Vary the period (sum of the on and off times) up and down by .1 of a second and see which value generates the largest wave. Make the on and off times as close to equal as possible, use intensity min of 0 and max of 100. It usually takes about 20 to 45 seconds for the wave to build.
If you are having trouble making make the AS follow the AquaController's program send an email to support@neptunesys.com, and I'll help diagnose the root cause of the problem.

Curt
 
Which is the "best" voltage setting that I should run the Tunze 6055s on the Aquasurf? They came preset at 20V. What's the advantage of going to 24V? Possibly higher flow?

Sorry about the ignorance but this is my first time with controllable Tunze pumps, and the AS as a matter of fact.
 
I just read up on a post about the Tunze 6101 and said that the voltage setting controls the speed/flow of the pump.

So Curt, using the aquasurf, am I to set up the 6055s on the highest voltage setting (24V) and the aquasurf will contol the pump based on varying the voltage from 24V being the maximum voltage supplied to the minimum (I guess 12V)?

The way I understand it is, if I set the tranformer to 20V, the max flow I'll get will be based on the 20V... Correct?
So the answer is to set the Tunze transformer to 24V and let the Aquasurf control it...?
 
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