Tunze Stream control?

thanks tom :) yea the original price was 175 for them but holy smokes tehy upped it to 199 now huh, oh well for the health of my SPS i am willing to spend it ;) the only timers i have now are 3 for lights(1 is for fuge) 1 is for the tunze 6055, 1 for heater, 1 for chiller, and 1 for sump pump.... there is 1 currently not being used as i dont turn my skimmer off for feed time, just the sump pump so the skimmer gets no junk until the sump pump restarts. Thanks again tom

jnarowe sorry bud, but i promised my pump to a friend of mine if i ever parted.... thanks for the interest though ;) if he decides he does not want it anymore i will send you a pm for sure. thanks.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11225599#post11225599 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
anything with TM3, TM4, PM3 or PM4 in it should be what you want to remove for 2 pump operation. You still need all of the PMP statements if you want the wave, night and chaotic modes.
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Tom,

If I understand you correctly, then I will be able to eliminate 16 syntax lines with a 2 pump operation?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11227260#post11227260 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pecan2phat
Tom,

If I understand you correctly, then I will be able to eliminate 16 syntax lines with a 2 pump operation?
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I counted 10 lines (and 4 timers) that were not needed, but maybe I am overlooking something ? Anything with PM3, PM4, TM3 or TM4. These are the lines I saw as not being needed for 2 pump operation :

RND 10/10 ON/OFF Then TM3 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM4 ON
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM3 PF1
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM4 PF2
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM3 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM4 OFF
If Timer TM3 = ON Then PM3 PF3
If Timer TM4 = ON Then PM4 PF3
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM3 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM4 PF4


You still need all of your profile statements (PF1 - PF4), unless you don't need or want one of the 3 modes (IE: wave, chaotic or night). For two pumps it should look something like this :

Pmp Mode sD for PF1
Pmp Mode SD for PF2
Pmp Mode sd for PF3
Pmp Mode sd for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF4
Pmp OSC 13/13/00 for PF1
Pmp OSC 00/13/13 for PF2
Pmp OSC 05/20/15 for PF3
Pmp OSC 15/30/15 for PF4
If Time > 0900 Then DAY ON
If Time > 2100 Then DAY OFF
If Time > 1500 Then CHS ON
If Time > 1600 Then CHS OFF
RND 15/10 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM1 PF1
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM2 PF2
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM1 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM2 OFF
If Timer TM1 = ON Then PM1 PF3
If Timer TM2 = ON Then PM2 PF3
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM1 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM2 PF4


And of course you could key off of an existing timer instead of using a separate one for DAY. I just have my DAY timer set to come on an hour after T5s and go on in the morning and go off (go into night mode) an hour before the T5s go off at night. Chaotic mode (CHS) comes on a hour or so after the halides come on in the afternoon. I do it this way with an hour "padding" to give the fish time to wake up before coming out of night mode and an hour in the evening to settle in with a lower flow pattern before complete lights out (I still need to put up the moonlight LEDs... one of these days I will get it done :)). But if you are keying off of an existing lighting timer for day, chaotic and night mode then you can eliminate a couple of dedicated timers from the code above :). As I mentioned, we had the extra timers and I wanted the more granular control over the flow patterns and when each mode happened, so the dedicated timers were needed for that.

HTH :)
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11227289#post11227289 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by erickrm
Hey tom what do you think 1 tunze 6055 for my 24X18X18 tank, or 1 vortech ;) oh and either one will be on the AS ;)
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I don't know alot about the 6055 in terms of flow capabilities, but if you already own one, then I would save the $$ for now and see how it works for you once you get it running on an AS.

Also, with the AS you could keep the second 6055 and just keep it turned down (via the AS and INT statements), that would possibly give you more flexibility for flow options, but you may also do just fine with 1 (alot would depend on your rockwork, etc). If it were me, and I already had 2 6055's, I would get the AS, get it all set up and let it run with 1 of them for a week and then decide if I still wanted to try running 2 of them on lower intensities. Or better yet then just put the second one in, tweak the program code for 2 pumps and lower intensity and let that run for a week also. Then at the end of it decide if you want one 6055, two 6055s or to ditch them and drop $$ on a Vortec. I am a huge fan of leveraging whatever hardware you already own before spending money on something new just to try it out :).

If you pick up an AS we can tweak the code I posted to meet your tank and corals needs. IE: adjust the intensity, pulse frequency, etc. And the concern I have over the change I made to the mode statement would not exist for a 2 pump (or one pump) operation.

for one or two pumps this :

Pmp Mode SD for PF1

would go back to this

Pmp Mode sD for PF1


It still has not hit 9 AM here for me to see it transition from night to day modes so I don't know if I need to rethink the mode statements for our 4 pumps or not yet.

EDIT : and I almost forgot that if you do end up going with a modded Vortec to allow it to run on an AS, depending on if you get an older MP40 or the newer MP40w driver you would also need to adjust (reverse) the INT statements to match the driver. Let's cross that bridge when and if we get to it :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11227260#post11227260 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pecan2phat
Tom,

If I understand you correctly, then I will be able to eliminate 16 syntax lines with a 2 pump operation?
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Sorry, I meant to say 10 syntax lines vs 16 :)

Tom what does these lines:
RND 15/10 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON

tell the AS to do?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11228454#post11228454 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pecan2phat
Sorry, I meant to say 10 syntax lines vs 16 :)

Tom what does these lines:
RND 15/10 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON

tell the AS to do?
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Those lines are ones I was going to recommend you tweak to fit your needs. They turn the TM1 and TM2 timers on and off randomly. Those timers are used to create the chaotic flow. If I read (and remember) my AC programming description for RND the first # is the max on period and the second # is the max off period. The RND function will randomly pick a # between 1 and the max. So in the line above TM1 would come on for somewhere between 1 and 15 minutes, then go off for somewhere between 1 and 10 minutes. Then would randomly pick another "on" and "off" duration, and so on. When off it will fall back to the "wave" profile, which would still give you random flow since the odds are that at least one of the pumps will be using PF3. Those timers are used to tell the AS to use Profile 3 (PF3) for the pumps (or not). When off it will fall back to the "wave" profile, which would still give you random flow since the odds are that at least one of the pumps will be using PF3 (much more so with 4 pumps, but it should still work pretty well for 2). And since PF3 is not synched with anything, when the timers kick on the pumps will start into that profile, which has basically 20 seconds @ 30% and 20 seconds @ 100% on the pump. So even if the RND picked 1 minutes for both on and off you would get at least 2 shots of 20 seconds of 100% before it dropped back to wait until the next RND hit. If you have opposing pumps and they kick into PF3 30 seconds apart, you would get some pretty random currents in your tank for a few minutes every couple of minutes or so. Maybe lengthening the on periods and shortening the off ones would result in more chaotic flow for 2 pumps, I can't really say, you would just have to try it out. I know that when I had it running on 4 pumps I watched the timer icons on the AC and they kicked on and off like watching blinking lights throughout the hour period (I would spot check them for 5 mins at a time throughout the hour CHS period). I will say that I was pretty happy with how random it appeared. I did that first test without the AS hooked up. Then after I hooked up the pumps I say the in-tank results and was also pleased with how it turned out. However due to the random nature of it all I suppose that there could also be "bad" days where the flow doesn't turn out so random and chaotic.

Too much information ? More than what you were asking for ? :). If so, then my apologies for that :D

Short answer :

Those RND statements work together with the following lines to create the chaotic period :

Pmp Mode sd for PF3
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 05/20/15 for PF3
If Time > 1500 Then CHS ON
If Time > 1600 Then CHS OFF
RND 15/10 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM1 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM2 OFF
If Timer TM1 = ON Then PM1 PF3
If Timer TM2 = ON Then PM2 PF3

If you don't want a chaotic flow period, then all of these lines can be removed.

Also, when entering the code I posted, the order is important. If the lines are entered in out of order then the outcome could be unpredictable.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11225599#post11225599 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
I did recently make a change that I have not had a chance to fully evaluate. I used to have :

Pmp Mode sD for PF1

But that led to the pumps on the each side being slightly out of sync with each other.

I changed it to

Pmp Mode SD for PF1

To force them to sync up, which they now do. The only part I am even remotely concerned about is when switching between chaotic and wave and night and wave modes. It should be fine, but I won't know exactly how the AC will interpret and execute the code until tomorrow morning after night mode has transitioned to day/wave mode (I made the change earlier today, but after the chaotic period). If that works smoothly then I am less worried about the chaotic to day/wave transition that will happen later tomorrow afternoon. This is only because putting PF1 into synch mode may cause it to try to synch up with whatever profile was set before it, but once all are switched over to pulse, they should be syncing off of each other, so it should be fine. The only downside would be if things are not fine, then the pulses won't be synced any more for a wave.. but that should be about the extent of it.
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Night mode to DAY wave transition came and went smoothly. I just want to see the chaotic mode transition to be 100% sure, but it looks like I was worried over nothing :). So far the code is bearing out 100% with the new mode change (as reflected in my post of the full code yesterday) :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11228565#post11228565 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by erickrm
thanks for the info tom :) i appreciate it :) i will let you know when i get my AS :) thanks again.
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One other thing to consider when deciding on 1 pump versus 2 is how the wave itself is created. Now what I am going to say is only my opinion and has no proof, but to me it makes logical sense, so I am going to post it here anyways (despite the lack of supporting scientific proof)

I would think that a wave with 1 pump would put more stress on a tank's seams then a wave created by 2 pumps on opposite ends of a tank. The reason being (to me) is that a wave created with 1 pump requires that wave to bounce off of the other end of the tank for the "return" part of the wave, sort of like bouncing a ball off of a wall. With 2 pumps the return part of the wave is powered not by the bouncing water force, but powered instead by the second pump on the other end. Sort of like playing catch with someone who's back is up against the wall, instead of bouncing the ball against the wall yourself. In my analogy of "plaing ball" there would be more stress on the wall from the "bounce" scenario than the "playing catch" one (albeit minimal). To me there would be a corresponding difference in the stress on a tank when using a single pump for a wave versus 2 opposing each other.

Just my opinion, and not one I have heard anyone else echo as of yet, but I don't get to read every thread, so maybe someone else out there agrees with me on this :)
 
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For some reason, I can't get my pumps to do anything. I have 2 6055s and I have a DC8 with a connection to my Aquasurf and then on to a X10 controller. When I update my program, the lights on the DC8, Aquasurf, and the X10 blink, so I know that I have a good connection.

I have tried two different programs. My timers and equipment names stay the same:


TU1#-A03
TU2#-A04
TM1$-C01
TM2$-C02
DAY$-C03
CHS$-C04
FO1$-C05
FO2$-C06
FOO$-C07

I have tried these two programs:

OSC 060/180 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
OSC 180/060 ON/OFF Then FOO ON
OSC 120/120 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU1 PF2
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

OSC 060/180 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
OSC 180/060 ON/OFF Then FOO ON
OSC 120/120 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU1 PF2
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

I get nothing. The pumps stay on with a steady stream. Does anybody see anything I am doing wrong?
 
For some reason, I can't get my pumps to do anything. I have 2 6055s and I have a DC8 with a connection to my Aquasurf and then on to a X10 controller. When I update my program, the lights on the DC8, Aquasurf, and the X10 blink, so I know that I have a good connection.

I have tried two different programs. My timers and equipment names stay the same:


TU1#-A03
TU2#-A04
TM1$-C01
TM2$-C02
DAY$-C03
CHS$-C04
FO1$-C05
FO2$-C06
FOO$-C07

I have tried these two programs:

OSC 060/180 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
OSC 180/060 ON/OFF Then FOO ON
OSC 120/120 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU1 PF2
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

OSC 060/180 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
OSC 180/060 ON/OFF Then FOO ON
OSC 120/120 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU1 PF2
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4

I get nothing. The pumps stay on with a steady stream. Does anybody see anything I am doing wrong?
 
The tunze stream addresses are incorrect. The AquaSurf only supports control address letter between E-H. I believe that you should have Tu1 & TU2 on address E3 & E4. Check the AquaSurf dip switches and documentation to be certain.

Curt
 
I am new to the AS but I believe your timers are wrong. The AS uses E,F,G and H depending on the dip switches.
 
So, because I have both switches off, instead of:

TU1#-A03
TU2#-A04

I should have:

TU1#-E03
TU2#-E04

Is this what you are talking about?

TU1#-E03
TU2#-E04
TM1$-C01
TM2$-C02
DAY$-C03
CHS$-C04
FO1$-C05
FO2$-C06
FOO$-C07


OSC 060/180 ON/OFF Then FO1 ON
OSC 180/060 ON/OFF Then FOO ON
OSC 120/120 ON/OFF Then FO2 ON
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU1 OFF
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU1 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU1 PF1
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU1 PF2
If Timer FO2 = ON Then TU2 OFF
If Timer FO2 = OFF Then TU2 ON
If Timer FO1 = ON Then TU2 PF3
If Timer FOO = OFF Then TU2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 07/07/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 50/50/00 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF3
Pmp OSC 00/07/07 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/50/50 for PF4
 
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