Tunze vs Ecotech Vortech

Their flow is not nearly as concentrated as a mjmod.
Now, if you put any p.h. that pushes 3000gph+ on the back wall of an aquarium that is 24" or less you will have a barebottom front with a deep dsb in the back 75% :)
 
I did see hahnmeister mention you could put a 6200 shroud on a 6000/6100 which would broaden it's flow...just don't know how, like if it just pops on or if a mod is needed.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9632400#post9632400 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by E-A-G-L-E-S
I did see hahnmeister mention you could put a 6200 shroud on a 6000/6100 which would broaden it's flow...just don't know how, like if it just pops on or if a mod is needed.

No mod needed, just the 6200 shroud. Goes on the Stream motor the same way a maxijet shroud mounts. Just has a larger exit opening in the shroud.
 
My vortech is not loud at all, I'm guessing if someone's having trouble with noise, they probably didn't install it 100% correctly. I found the installation to be really quick and easy. It took me all of about 5 minutes to get it on the glass and lined up and now its turned up all the way with out any noise issues at all. There is a slightly 'wirring' noise as said above, but hardly noticeable IMO. The inability to aim is absolutely no disadvantage at all, at least in my tank. It has a very wide area that it covers and I can see any reason to point it anywhere but straight ahead. I plan on getting another one when the controller comes out, I love this pump!
 
I just got a Vortech and man I could not be happier to spend that kind of cash for water current. I have it in my TechTank 120G and it is perfect, with the rockscape and position of the vortech there is no dead spots. The with of the current is amazing and creates a nice ripper (almost a little wave) on the top of the water with a great under toe current at the bottom :)
 
I like to add the Tunze Nanostream 6055 in the mix and let me explain.

Based on the simple mods we did on 6025s and 6045s, we know that the same mod will increase the 6055 flow by 38%, meaning max flow of 2,000gph for a 6055.

While this is still not as much as the Vortech or 6100, it is certainly in the competition. The 6055 has all the benefits of the large stream pumps yet small enough to hide away behind rocks, and cost much less.

The only problem with the 6055 now is availability. Expect it's wide appearance in June or July.
 
My Vortech is coming tomarrow

My Vortech is coming tomarrow

I am building a new 125 gallon system to incorperate my 40 gallon reef tank and 70 fish and live rock tank.I did all kinds of research and talked to every local fish so called expert in my area.Believe me Tunze are great but you can rest assured they are scrambling to design a system to compete with the new generation of powerheads such as vortech.Clearly a better way to run our tanks,Everyone discounts the heat Thats B.S. all those pumps heat your water 1 degree were all smarter than that.You think it is a minus you can't aim the powerhead but the flow is tremdous if your rock is placed in a pattern you can eliminate dead flow. Do your homework this is possiable,You can run at most two and give enough flow for any tank below 8' in length and 4' wide.I have done the math and the research.As for the battery back up you think Tunze isnt talking to the RD of their CO. to find out why they never handled that issue?Well because to run a comperable pump in a tunze for 48 hrs would require a diesel battery and charger.Tunze are great just not the future as we will see when the new Tunze line comes out a copy of Vortech and years behind.Pick what you like no arguement my money was well spent and you really cant go wrong they both,They are the finest in the field.
Scott
 
Have you seen Tunze Nanostream pumps yet? I have just got one of the first 6055s and was able to demonstrate that it is capable of pumping 2500 gph with a DIY large shroud and a 6100 propeller, and drawing 26W. Why would that be more difficult to use with a battery backup than Vortech?

While the 6055 itself may not be the one, but they can easily release a pump the same footprint of a Nanostream and pump out 3000 gph.

No doubt Vortech is a brilliant pump, just don't think it is the only way to go. Adjustability of the Nanostream means you don't have to have a piece sticking out from the side of the tank. The pump can always be installed at the back wall with flow aimed at any angle you want.

Of course whether Tunze will want to compete in these large flow pump area is anyone's guess because it will cut into their Stream pumps market.
 
I'm considering the 6055 for my 210, my only problem is flow the length of the tank. If I went with 4 of them in each corner think that would work.

Man you got some kahuna's tearing into that brand new pump. Are you even worried about it failing and not being under warranty?


BTW Love your help on that those mods I believe I will do them if I go that route.


As for the Vortechs I think they are nice but the price is up there and all the other add-ins you'll need to be satisfied, it all adds up and for some people with smaller budgets you can only get what the wife will allow :lol:

Good thread hope we're not off course though:D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9856377#post9856377 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by radone
I'm considering the 6055 for my 210, my only problem is flow the length of the tank. If I went with 4 of them in each corner think that would work.

Man you got some kahuna's tearing into that brand new pump. Are you even worried about it failing and not being under warranty?


BTW Love your help on that those mods I believe I will do them if I go that route.


As for the Vortechs I think they are nice but the price is up there and all the other add-ins you'll need to be satisfied, it all adds up and for some people with smaller budgets you can only get what the wife will allow :lol:

Good thread hope we're not off course though:D

I would still go for the vortechs if I were you. If you buy 4 6055's thats $800 for approximately 5600gph of flow (1400gph each). HOwever, if you get just two vortechs thats 6200 gph for only $690 ($345 each). If you ask me the 6055s are a waste of money on a tank that large. They were designed for much smaller tanks and the flow they produce will not be very impressive on a tank that size. Just my 2 cents, good luck deciding.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9856509#post9856509 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hatfielj
I would still go for the vortechs if I were you. If you buy 4 6055's thats $800 for approximately 5600gph of flow (1400gph each). HOwever, if you get just two vortechs thats 6200 gph for only $690 ($345 each). If you ask me the 6055s are a waste of money on a tank that large. They were designed for much smaller tanks and the flow they produce will not be very impressive on a tank that size. Just my 2 cents, good luck deciding.

Which is why I said the ball is entirely in Tunze's court. If they want to come out and swing they can. They already have the 6055, all they have to do is add a bigger prop/driver and maybe a more powerful transformer (not even necessary IMO), much like upgrading from a 6000 to a 6100 by switching the transformer only. They may need to give a bigger nozzle. And a Nanostream with 3,000 gph will be available to you. Of course the cost will be more but I think they can easily keep it below $250 if they really want the market share.

All wishful thinking of course, but the 6055 is reality and it pumps out 1800gph after some simple mods, near 2000gph with some more fancy mods. For those who don't mind some DIY effort it is a serious contender among the large stream pumps for sure.
 
So since I have had the most problems out of any Vortech customer I guess I should chime in here.

Advantages of Vortech over CL:

1. Ability to move pump to various locations;
2. Very low watt/gph; (low operating cost)
3. very low to zero heat passed to the water column;
4. ability to run on Backup Battery;
5. Easily cleaned;
6. extremely wide and pulsating flow;
7. no possibility of leaks;
8. Controllable.

Advanteages over Tunze:
1. no wires in tank;
2. smaller pump profile;
3. no heat transfer;
4. wider flow;
5. Battery backup;
6. Future: wireless controller for up to 8 units.

General Advantages:
1. Advanced electronic pump management: These pumps monitor themselves and shut down for over-temp., prop obstructions, and ejection. They are also infinitely adjustable.


Disadvantages:
1. Can't be aimed in a particular direction;
2. In certain installs wires on the outside would be undesireable;
3. Sometimes alignment can be an issue, but with the latest versions that doesn't seem to be a problem anymore.

My issues:

1. Tremendous rattling: Magnets were weak and replaced, bearings changed out, washers installed. I wanted to poke my eyes out.

2. Cord keepers wouldn't stay stuck to the acrylic: I drilled small holes in my euro-bracing and zip tied the cords in place.

3. Inability to run on a controller: I use a Neptune ACIII Pro and was first told no less than 1 minute cycles, then 5 minute cycles, then 10 minutes, then 20 minutes. Due to an issue with the firmware, the drivers were getting toasted by the ON/OFF cycles. I lost a total of five drivers. All were replaced by Eco-Tech. I lost at least one power supply, also replaced. All of my current drivers have been upgraded to the latest configuration and they are all running very well, with no appreciable noise.

4. Extreme over-heating: All of my Vortechs have been running close to and over maximum spec. and will slow themselves down to cool off. I am talking about the case being at 140F and above. This has damaged my acrylic by crazing it where the Vortechs are installed. I currently run them at about 70 - 75% to keep them from over-heating and have been told that the 75 - 80F ambient temp. of my tank room is to blame. I am not sure I buy that, to be honest. That's a killer because there isn't really a solution other than consuming more power, which would negate a key reason why I bought the Vortechs over a CL.

I have 4 Vortechs on my 1000g tank with one spare...I have NEVER seen a pump of any kind put out this kind of flow. It oscilates so that the coral polyps sway back and forth. I have two installed on each end of my 8' long tank and there is flow to spare even in the center of the tank. As the reef grows, I will probably add the 5th pump, as well as two more to the back panel of the tank.

I also have two of the Battery Backup units and they work fine. They are below expectation though in that there is no way to tell how much battery life there is, or any other parameters like in a modern PC backup battery. For me, I could have used PC BB units and put them inline, but then that would not allow the pumps to be remotely controlled. As it is now, the pumps on the Backups cannot be controlled by the ACIII Pro since that simply would turn them on and off, but then the backup would kick in and they would run at 50%. So the only way to actually control Vortech pumps is with their proprietary controller...it's just money right??

If I missed any of my issues (memory is bad) please feel free to ad them onto the list!
 
That put things in perspective, thanks for laying that out like that it sure does help.
Glad to hear your problems with them are finally clearing up, I'm sure that is frustrating especially since you invested a good deal of dough.

I myself think the Vortechs are pretty sweet, but not owning any yet, can't compare.
My big delema is where my rock work is right down the middle, the tank is set up for veiwing on three sides so this poses problems as well, besides this I've got an external overflow which is 12" long on the end so whatever I put at the overflow end I would really need two of to cover both sides of the rock work. With the vortechs that low down on a 29" tall tank I'm guessing I would have a sandstorm. If this would work I would be happy because on the veiwable end I don't think the Vortech would be an eyesore unlike a big stream dangling down.


Any suggestions for a layout?


I'm still surprised the DIY group here hasn't done a controller for the vortechs
 
radone: I guess the main question is whether or not you would be OK with the motor on a viewing pane. I personally would not and if I had a tank viewable on theree sides, I would probably go with a remote Sequence CL or drop in Tunze.

I would lean toward the CL just because they are easier to hide, but I have heard good things about the Tunze rocks too. That may be the best solution if you don't want a CL.

As far as using Vortechs on that tank, I wouldn't worry too much about where the rockwork is. The Vortechs will fill that tank with flow. You could also consider just putting 2 or 3 on the back pane, if you have the room to do so. Although tough to hide, they will rock that tank for sure. And in that case, I would make sure there is proper airflow around the motors so that they don't heat up too much. HTH!
 
Thanks for the info
I thought about only having two of them one on each side pointing the length of the tank.

I don't think putting a CL in is a doable thing as the wife would freak knowing we have to tear it apart again to drill. That and I would probably be getting divorced if you know what I mean :lol:

As for putting one on the veiwable end I'm not to hot with the idea but I think it would be livable, unfortunately I spend most of my time at that end.

As for the controller any news what the cost is going to be?
Haven't seen a peep about anyone asking.
BB are not on my list of needs as I have a generator for those situations.


Thanks again Jonathan :D
 
No sweat. Check out the Tunze rocks then. That could solve your viewing pane issue. If you have a light cabinet over the tank, sea swirls work extremely well too. I have seen a lot of tanks with those and they are very impressive.

As far as the Vortechs go, make sure before you buy that you have a way to fasten the cord above the pump. If you cannot do that, I wouldn't recommend them. The cord keepers they have stick well for a while, but if your tank is acrylic, they will fall off eventually. Acrylic is not a great surface for adhering to.

I have no news on the Vortech controller. In fact the Vortech threads have been silent lately. The BB they have is not too expensive to use as a secondary measure. I will be installing a whole house genset, and have one dedicated to the tank already, but I still see value in redundancy. Especially in our area that loses power fairly often. I had a power outage the other day and the tank didn't miss a beat. :)
 
I read on several posts that the noise vortechs make are a slight whirring sound. Is it/are they audible throughout the room, or can you only hear them a short distance from them? Is the noise the actual motor itself, or it vibrating on the glass(the glass amplifying it)?
 
For me it was vibration/rattling on the glass which I could hear from the viewing room. That is not happening anymore. Since my install is in a tank room with some noisy equipment, I do not here the motor side at all.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9863693#post9863693 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
No sweat. Check out the Tunze rocks then. That could solve your viewing pane issue. ...

How does Tunze rock work? I thought it only works if the pump is on the back wall?
 
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