tyree most wanted capricornis

tyree most wanted capricornis

Hello All,

First of all a correction - Bill Schroer did have a fragment of this coral. This thread has me searching my memory and reliving the past. He did not get it directly from Leng Sy's facility. He got a fragment of the piece I personally had in my reefs during the summer of 1996. I ended up losing my piece during the fall of 1996 after my move to North San Diego County. Bill at Piece of the Reef did not have his for more then a year. I believe it was early 1997 when his only stony show tank got completely wiped out. He suspected that someone put copper in it. I now remember looking at the tank and telling Bill, we may have just lost the last frag of the Leng Sy cap. Bill had not distributed any frags of it.

Leng never actually gave me a frag of the coral for me personnaly. He did have me ship a large frag of it however to Mike Paletta. While Mikes large frag was in my reef, there was some type of accident where it got cut in half. Leng told me Mike was kinda upset about the size. Oh well.

In summary, my last piece died in 1996. Bill Schroer lost his last piece in 1997 when someone coppered his show reef. Mike Paletta told me personnaly years ago that he had lost the frag I sent him.

Carlos/Pucci may have a frag of Tracy Gray's purple edged green capricornis. Tracy lost his main reef and the main colony, but he now has a fragment of that coral that I was holding for him. You should be able to see that cap in Photos of Tracy's reef.

Its still possible that Leng may have distributed a piece to this unknown reefer, but its going to take a while to verify it. I will also ask Bill Schroer about my recollection of his experience with the coral and if anything is wrong I will post it here.

Will read the other posts on this thread later.
 
Dont know why Leng Sy did not want me or anyone else distributing his Purple Edged green or solid Orange cap back then. Some reefers are like that. At times they are more collectors then distributors.

The purple edged green Leng Sy had moderate growth.

Polyps were intense green.
 
tonytooth,

Nice montipora. Has purple down in the middle sections of the plate. Lacks Leng Sy's nodule growth but it definitly is an exotic.

coralite,

That coral was in a reef that had 6-400 watt 20,000 K metal halides. It was a very large tank. I think around 400 to 500 gallons. Coral was about 2 feet below the halides. Leng lost the colony after replacing all 6 halides at once. As we now know there is a big diffirence in the output of a 1 year old 20,000 K verses a brand new one. Water current was moderate. Not strong or intense.
 
tyree most wanted capricornis

reefer on a budget,

Not a good one online, but I have the original 35 mm slide of the colony I took back in 1996. Paletta ran a similar slide of mine in a Aquarium Fish magazine article he wrote years ago. Will examine the slide when I can sometime in the next few days.

The one remaining possible true linneage, had the correct answer when I asked them what color were the polyps. Thats the Leng Sy distributed possibility. Still waiting for an image and of course will have to ask Leng Sy if he truelly did ship a fragment to the 'unknown reefer'. The problem of course is that this 'unknown reefer' has to become known for the linneage to be verified. From what I was told, Leng Sy reportedly asked this reefer for a fragment of it, but he refused. Thats just a rumor though. Only Leng Sy can verifiy that information.
 
Wow, this thread's starting to have more intrique in it than the Elizabeth Smart case. Okay, here's my question: Knowing that our tanks are rather fragile in that the most simple and unforseen circumstances can totally crash them, thereby destroying every single lifeform in them, why are reefers with these 'rare or unique' corals so hesitant to frag them? I'm not saying put them on ebay, but how about to a small circle of trusted friends for the sake of continuing the species (at least, in reeftanks anyway). This is the first thing I do when I have a piece that I'd hate to lose and I don't have anything I'd consider completely irreplaceable. Is this ego? Fear? Or concern of the economic downward spiral should the coral become more 'available'?
 
Montipora

Montipora

Steve that montipora is starting to show nodule growth now. It doesn't have same growth as the one we are discussing. I've got growth of 1/2 inch nodules on it now with the purple streaks running thru it. She is sitting 2 feet below a 175 and when I change bulbs it will turn brown for a month and then regain its color. I will have to send you a different photo to show nodule growth. This frag just turned a year old in my tank. Ray
 
Trading frags

Trading frags

64ivy I'm glad to trade frags when I need to frag or have a fish brake frags. I trade for frags that I don't have or find unique. I'm sure you can understand that.

There are some many different corals and colors that all are not same in others tanks as they are in mine. I'm sure Steve Tyree or others can hook you up with frags that are rare. Try some of his limited frags long wait on some but worth the look.
 
Re: Trading frags

Re: Trading frags

rreed said:
64ivy I'm glad to trade frags when I need to frag or have a fish brake frags. I trade for frags that I don't have or find unique. I'm sure you can understand that.

There are some many different corals and colors that all are not same in others tanks as they are in mine. I'm sure Steve Tyree or others can hook you up with frags that are rare. Try some of his limited frags long wait on some but worth the look.

Actually the question was rhetorical. And except for the Montipora originally pictured, I'm not looking for anything personally (I've been a customer of DE for a couple years now). All I'm wondering is why if someone is fortunate enough to own what may be the ONLY piece of A. marquisdiamondensis extant, would they be so hesitant to frag it?
 
One of a kind

One of a kind

I guess I would find myself more of the collector, unless my over grown sailfin frags it for me then I would trade for something. I find myself very very hesitant to frag something that keeps getting prettier and prettier with time. Good question though, guess thats what makes us all unique with our differences.
 
Pineple House
I'm getting the frag from Carlos (Pucci).
Let me clarify,
I never ask you $70 or even $100, a sell this coral for $50.00, you offer me $100, because you wanted by September 14, frag swap!
Graham, I never said anything about this coral been the original Leng Sy cap, all I said that it was from Japan, I did get that coral from Robert a friend of mine. He bought it from a guy that used to bring stuff from Japan. I never seen the Leng Sy purple edge in person.
Steve Tyree was at my house before and he saw my purple edge, he never said anything by that piece been Leng Sy original cap. Steve Tyree notice that, if you look at the edges, it has a red "ORA" that forms above the rim, which is pretty cool to look at it, and I have to say that I only had a reef tank for about 5 years, but look how far I gotten in just 5 years. My tank never crashed, knock on wood!!!
Tracy also came to my house, I gave him a frag of my purple edge.
I did buy a different purple edge from Tracy, nothing like the one from Japan.
Here's my PE from Japan
PE.jpg

Steve Tyree
Carlos/Pucci may have a frag of Tracy Gray's purple edged green capricornis
Here's the PE that I got from Tracy, which is a nice piece also
PETG.jpg
 
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More to the Mix

More to the Mix

I have seen Carlo's piece, and it's a beautiful coral, I watched his kids, washed his camaro, and bought him dinner so he gave me a frag of it to try in my outdoor prop system.

Outdoors it has a super intense purple edge, but outside in the sun it is brown rather than green.

Check where Cali Reef got his from. His colony has stronger colors and much more contrast. And the polyps on his look like an electric green (Possibly white under different lights) on a rich green surface area.

Dave B
 
Here's what my PE look today, this pic was taken under 10K.
when the 20K kicks in, you can really see the purple rim.
NewPE.jpg
 
I guess I can't blame a person for not wanting to share. It is thier property, and thier prerogative what they do with it. However, we're not talking about a collection here are we. We're talking about an animal with the potential to provide hundreds of frags which could easily insure its survival within the hobby.

Tanks fail, and it doesn't makes sense not to share.

Personally, I think Pat's Monti Cap is just as beautiful. However, its status is probably no longer under the "rare" lsiting, as he has fragged his colony probably hundreds of times.

http://home.comcast.net/~p.monaghan/sps_frags.htm

-Meg :)
 
64Ivy said:
...but how about to a small circle of trusted friends for the sake of continuing the species (at least, in reeftanks anyway). This is the first thing I do when I have a piece that I'd hate to lose and I don't have anything I'd consider completely irreplaceable.

Fortunately a bunch of us operate this way in our local club. A lot of us like Stony's, and several are able/willing to spend some money to get rare sepcimens in. Once they are in and settled.. the fragging commences - specifically for the purpose of preserving the coral. We've been (un)fortunate too, that a few folks have moved away from the area... but kept their corals!

... And the lineage spreads.

BTW - Steve, thanks for taking the time to answer questions here, it's a great resource for us hobbiests to actually get in touch with you. Got any pics of your Blue Chalice? We've got some circulating up here, and nobody knows the true color (various shades of brown for most of us...)

- Mac
 
Blue chalice

Blue chalice

My chalice is blue. I have it sitting about 24 inches below a 400 watt radium.
 
Thanks Ray,

I've got two pieces... one about in between my 2 Radiums, maybe 18 inches away, and a second, smaller piece about 14, but directly underneath the bulb (shaded from my Iwasaki's, too). I'm curious to see if the brown coloration was a result of the Iwasaki bulbs.

- Mac
 
Cap

Cap

Everytime I change bulbs mine will turn brown. It lasts for about a month as long as you have actinic's along with halides. I had no actinics and one piece stayed brown under halides while the other got it's color back along with actinics.
 
tyree most wanted capricornis

Concerning the Echinopora lamellosa (Blue Chalice) - It is a low light coral. Too much light makes it brown or tan.

Concerning a Japanese coral possibly being in the Leng Sy linneage - Leng Sy is Chinese. His Purple Edged cap came from Indonesia. No Japanese connection.

At any rate, I have seen a lot of images of corals that were similar to the original Leng Sy. Recently I have seen images of two that were almost exact copies. Not in the linneage, but almost exact copies. One of these corals is on its way to me right now in fragment form, assuming that the northeast power outage does not screwup Federal Express delivery schedule. Since this coral seems important to the stony hobby, one person on this thread said the coral actually got him into stonies in the first place, I will post images of this coral and also provide the reefers email address. He has grown 4 colonies of it from a frag that he purchased from a LFS. The frag was initially brown. He said posting this information was okay and he is willing to sell and trade fragments. I have no financial connection to him. I just traded him for a fragment of this coral just like any hobbyist would. I will post images in three postings and provide his email at the end. I suggested a price, but its his coral and he can do what he wants. I dont know if he is in our business or not. He just responded to the reeffarmers.com most wanted page.

The first image is attached here and shows the extensive purple edge.
 
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