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Yes they are Iwasakis and it still is very blue. I am really happy with this coral. I can't wait to see how it does under AB's.
tyree most wanted capricornis
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They need to be blasted w/light to maintain the coloration. They generally do great under saki/vho mix. Are the AB's DE or SE?
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that albro will turn a greenish/turquiose with blue tips if placed under 10k DE 250s as i have the same stag. it grows fast and is not the same as the tyree most wanted albro which is also known as the garf stag and a piece i have as well. they're similar but not the same piece.
i believe under 20k's the stag above will turn a shade of blue. for some reason the 10k isnt blue enough or intense enough to drive the color out of this piece.
i believe under 20k's the stag above will turn a shade of blue. for some reason the 10k isnt blue enough or intense enough to drive the color out of this piece.
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I figured that was why this thing is doing so good in my tank and not in others. My sakis and AB's are SE bulbs. This coral is directly under a saki (about 12" fromt he bulb)
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Can you explain the differences between the 2 pieces? Just to let you know, I also run four 160w actinic suppliments.reefer on a budget said:
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if you compare the coralites you'll notice that the tyree piece has millepora like coralites as described on tyree's site. since tyree has been following this thread im sure he can clarify more than i can what the differences are. if you're looking for that stag, you should check leroy at garf for a piece. the original piece tends to be more solid turquiose under 20k radiums.
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Mine also turned green w/blue tips under SE 250w 10k's.
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This is how I describe the piece. If you look at my first post in this thread from a couple months ago, I described it most like a milli http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1510772&highlight=blue+stag#post1510772
"The abrolhensis actually has a tubular corallite while the coral we are working with is more scaly. Its almost like a tuorquoise/blue Staghorn Acropora millepora with medium thick branches. We will continue research and hopefully get a more accurate species ID soon."
According to this link that JB NY gave me, my coral is NOT Acropora Albrolhensis. The only reason I reffered to it as that was becuase Steve did and many others did. My coral skeleton looks nothing like this Acropora abrolhensis http://whelk.aims.gov.au/coralsearch/html/001-100/Species pages/59.htm
My piece is very scaly and looks like millepora. JB NY said it may be this Acropora loisetteae http://whelk.aims.gov.au/coralsearch/html/801-900/Species pages/837.htm
I must say it is closer. Does your albro skeleton look like the picture in the link above? Mine looks nothing like it.
If albro looks has tubular corallites, then mine is deffinately not albro. Mine is very scaly. If I grab it too hard. the scale will dig in my and and chip off.
"The abrolhensis actually has a tubular corallite while the coral we are working with is more scaly. Its almost like a tuorquoise/blue Staghorn Acropora millepora with medium thick branches. We will continue research and hopefully get a more accurate species ID soon."
According to this link that JB NY gave me, my coral is NOT Acropora Albrolhensis. The only reason I reffered to it as that was becuase Steve did and many others did. My coral skeleton looks nothing like this Acropora abrolhensis http://whelk.aims.gov.au/coralsearch/html/001-100/Species pages/59.htm
My piece is very scaly and looks like millepora. JB NY said it may be this Acropora loisetteae http://whelk.aims.gov.au/coralsearch/html/801-900/Species pages/837.htm
I must say it is closer. Does your albro skeleton look like the picture in the link above? Mine looks nothing like it.
If albro looks has tubular corallites, then mine is deffinately not albro. Mine is very scaly. If I grab it too hard. the scale will dig in my and and chip off.
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Here's the difference I have with Steves description. He states "medium thick branches". I wouldn't consider the branches as "medium thick" unless you are describing them with the polyps extended.
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Joe is the closest to the ID of this coral, Acropora loisetteae. This tip looks pretty close to what I have. The scales continue to get bigger and very scaly or dish like down the branch. "Radial corallites are of one size and are short and scale-like. Colour: Blue" This is how the loisetteae is described and this looks and sounds like my piece.
loisetteae (this could be my coral)
abrolhosensis (these are deffinately not my coral)
loisetteae (this could be my coral)
abrolhosensis (these are deffinately not my coral)
Steve Tyree
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reeffaermac,
I have attached an image of the encrusting massive Montipora undata from fiji. No fragments available now. Just thought you would be interested in seeing a new coral. I also heard that reefermadness recently sold a pinkish purple M. undata.
I have attached an image of the encrusting massive Montipora undata from fiji. No fragments available now. Just thought you would be interested in seeing a new coral. I also heard that reefermadness recently sold a pinkish purple M. undata.
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Tonytooth and Reefer on a Budget,
Gee. You guys have to open up the Abrolhensis can of worms too ! To begin with, that web page was written in early 2000. Same as the Leng Sy cap. Has not been modified since. The original abrolhensis came from the Florida Islands in the Solomons. Since about 1 year before the Solomons Civil war started, no corals have been coming out of the Florida Islands. The collector apparently discovered that collecting some type of timber was more profitable. At least thats the scuttlebut from Solomons exporter/importer. I think its possible that the Garf abrolhensis is in the linneage since I did send them a fragment of it and Leroy did like to save exotics and gave them special care. About two years ago we began to see stags coming from Fiji that were very close in appearence to the Solomons Florida Islands Abrolhensis. In fact I gave up responding to people claiming to have the most wanted abrolhensis because it was more then 3 a month and quite frankly it is very difficult to see the difference. In every shipment from Fiji right now there is at least one coral very similar to the Solomons Florida Island Abrolhensis. There needs to be intense turquoise blue that will be lost under moderate to low lighting.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to call the most wanted abrolhensis the Solomon Florida Islands abrolhensis and these new ones The New Fiji stags. Dont know what species they are yet.
Thats the importation history. Arguing about the skeletal species ID is a whole nother can of worms I really dont want to get into. As soon as I get the chance I wil update both most wanted pages.
Gee. You guys have to open up the Abrolhensis can of worms too ! To begin with, that web page was written in early 2000. Same as the Leng Sy cap. Has not been modified since. The original abrolhensis came from the Florida Islands in the Solomons. Since about 1 year before the Solomons Civil war started, no corals have been coming out of the Florida Islands. The collector apparently discovered that collecting some type of timber was more profitable. At least thats the scuttlebut from Solomons exporter/importer. I think its possible that the Garf abrolhensis is in the linneage since I did send them a fragment of it and Leroy did like to save exotics and gave them special care. About two years ago we began to see stags coming from Fiji that were very close in appearence to the Solomons Florida Islands Abrolhensis. In fact I gave up responding to people claiming to have the most wanted abrolhensis because it was more then 3 a month and quite frankly it is very difficult to see the difference. In every shipment from Fiji right now there is at least one coral very similar to the Solomons Florida Island Abrolhensis. There needs to be intense turquoise blue that will be lost under moderate to low lighting.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to call the most wanted abrolhensis the Solomon Florida Islands abrolhensis and these new ones The New Fiji stags. Dont know what species they are yet.
Thats the importation history. Arguing about the skeletal species ID is a whole nother can of worms I really dont want to get into. As soon as I get the chance I wil update both most wanted pages.
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yeah this thread has been sidetracked a bit from captive fish breeding, florida lfs drama, other tyree LE and now to tyree most wanted albrohensis.
can we predict what will come up next?:smokin:
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can we predict what will come up next?:smokin:
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"There needs to be intense turquoise blue that will be lost under moderate to low lighting."
This also fits. I am the only person out of 4 people total that have a piece of this colony that actually has a bright turquoise piece. Every other piece is BROWN because I believe I have it in the most intense lighting spot. 2 of the other people have strong lighting and they still do not have the color I have. Robthorn did have this color until he switched to Crystal Sea salt and his piece is still suffering even after the switch back. You couldn't even tell by looking at one of the brown pieces that it was the same coral. Everything you say to describe this coral fits my description. If you would like more pictures, I will take more. I will even remove it from the tank and try to take some macros of the skeleton.
This also fits. I am the only person out of 4 people total that have a piece of this colony that actually has a bright turquoise piece. Every other piece is BROWN because I believe I have it in the most intense lighting spot. 2 of the other people have strong lighting and they still do not have the color I have. Robthorn did have this color until he switched to Crystal Sea salt and his piece is still suffering even after the switch back. You couldn't even tell by looking at one of the brown pieces that it was the same coral. Everything you say to describe this coral fits my description. If you would like more pictures, I will take more. I will even remove it from the tank and try to take some macros of the skeleton.
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tonytooth,
I think there are some problems with the pictures of the abrolhensis in Verons books. The skeletal picture shows mostly tubular corallites, but if you look at the images of the live branch ends they are more scale-like. The live corals corallites appear less tubular then the skeletal images. Confusing to say the least. I dont know what to do about it. There potentially appears to be many more arborescent species then are described to date.
I think there are some problems with the pictures of the abrolhensis in Verons books. The skeletal picture shows mostly tubular corallites, but if you look at the images of the live branch ends they are more scale-like. The live corals corallites appear less tubular then the skeletal images. Confusing to say the least. I dont know what to do about it. There potentially appears to be many more arborescent species then are described to date.
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I have seen 2" dead skeleton pieces from my coral and it does not look like the Veron pics at all. How sure are you that this coral is abrolhensis? I am kicking myself for not saving those pieces. I think I knwo someone who may have some dead sections. I'll check and take some pictures.
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whatever it is it kind of looks just like a piece i have. very very aqua/turquoise w/ baby blue tips. i really don't care if it is the same one or not...it is a beauty and i like it 
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SawCJack00
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I like it too Lunch 
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Hey lunch,
What lighting do you have it under? I am switching to AB's from sakis and I am hoping I keep the color, that's why I ask.
What lighting do you have it under? I am switching to AB's from sakis and I am hoping I keep the color, that's why I ask.
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