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[ichthyman]

John - I am gonna leave that one alone, but I will say you are way off base in your interpretation of the meaning of my earlier comment.

Maybe I am but hope you can understand my confussion regarding your conflicting statements.

Come on tell me, I bet it takes only 5 minutes and $5 worth of supplies to make a crown.

That was a joke. Still do not know price as AJ has not returned my call yet.

A crown on the other hand actually takes quite a bit of money in material. Precious metals ring a bell? I spend $400.00 an ounce for metals. Not to mention $30.00 an ounce for porcelains or $75 for one diamond disk that's no bigger than 1" accross and 1/10 of millimeter thick.

Precisely my point.

BTW the tort I got from you is not the Oregon blue that chuck is speaking of. It is no doubt still a nice piece but it's not the blue tort. This is more purple. I am happy with it none the less.

Once again, precisely my point.

I don't doubt that within out lifetimes LFS will be selling tanks of cultured frags of corals that used to be rare

Why not? I am gearing up to do exactly that and I am sure other specialized LFS will soon follow.



I have been following this thread from the begining and was enjoying it until recently. Hopefully all this negatively has ended and this thread will return to its' orginal intent.

 

[Mako]

Maybe I am but hope you can understand my confussion regarding your conflicting statements.

All I said was "Unfortunately, this has already been going on. Some in this thread will know exactly to what I refer." and this was in response to Tony saying "All this is going to raise the prices we pay as consumers and flood the market with fakes. Not a good idea IMO."

What conflicting statement???

 

[rreed]

Price

Price

Chuck, I remember last year when you had the blue tortousa frag and you wanted to sell it to me for $100.00. Not the same blue as the one out west. I believe yours is a purple color? I then told you no thanks and was going to wait on Shawn Bennetts piece.

Your statement earlier now has me confused. Why so heavy a price? I believe you over priced the market.

I have to agree with John, sounds like it's okay for you to get premium price but not pay premium price.

Why not get back on the history of these corals, I believe that is more interesting than hearing someone whine about price. If you don't like the price don't buy it!

 

[reefer on a budget]

see what monster i created w/ this thread...
this thread is getting amusing and out of hand.

 

[Old Yeller Tang]

I also wanted to say that I buy 'unusual' frags from Steve all the time, and I am probably one of his safe customers in that I have never lost one of his frags - they are all still alive in my system. At the same time, if any of my colonies get large enough to frag, I do so gladly and pass them on to another reefer whose system I can trust. It's not about money for me - it's about beautiful creatures and keeping a 'bloodline' alive in captivity.

I'll tell you one thing - if this sky blue monti cap you sold me holds color, I will set one up myself. This thing is AWESOME!

Bonsai - Your my HERO!

I gotta head over to Tyree's to see this Blue Cap for myself! If it does hold it's color, can I be 1st in line for it? I had a Teal Cap turn green on me recently.

 

[o2manyfish]

Switching Caps

Switching Caps

I am curious to hear about the Sky Blue Caps from Steve.

I got a frag from Steve several months ago. I split it into 3 pieces. The piece outside in the sun is growing amazingly well --- Probably 4 to 5x it's original size. But the color is slate grey.

A piece I put in my display tank is growing slower but it is a mild green color with grey edges. (AB 10k lights)

The third piece I gave to Scott Berman, he has radiums his is a green color as well.

Just curious if anyone is keeping the blue color.

Dave B

 

[rreed]

Blue Cap

Blue Cap

Are you referring to his Blue Undata? If so I just got my frag of the blue in today. And it's nice. Check out Steves site and look at the grape undata that will be available next month. That one is sweet!

 

[reefer on a budget]

the grape undata isnt as rare as you think as stated in a previous thread, although if you're willing to pay the premium tyree price, more power to you.
it's been around....it turns either purple or pink depending upon your lighting. with the tyree "rare" stamp the price should increase about 100% which it has. i wonder if tyree will lend his services to validate my collection.

:smokin:

 

[Mark]

I bought the grap undata from a guy in Colorado for $40 back in 99. I'm surprised it's still considered rare. I tore my tank down when I moved, but I'll try to find a pic. Below is the coral under iwasakis without actinic. The polyps were blue. Below is when it was still a frag: It was just beginning to plate upwards. The owner(Steve Chang of Colorado) kept the mother colony under 20k's and it looked identical to Tyree's.

 

[rreed]

Grape Undata

Grape Undata

Reefer on a budget
The grape colored undata is the first time I've seen it. Especially in that color. I purchased the blue undata from Steve for $25.00. Its a really nice and large piece.

Mark, Nice piece!!

Also remember Jerry Maguire show me. Show me some grape or purple colored undata's other than what Steve has posted?

 

[Mako]

Re: Price

Re: Price

see what monster i created w/ this thread...

Not really Alex...but I do think some people are seriously confused.

I can't make up my mind which of you guys is funnier - Ray or John. I think you both need to put down the pipe and step away from the tank. :lol: I don't really want to distract this thread from it's original purpose, but I feel that if someone is going to put words in my mouth then I should be able to respond.

First off Ray, you approached me about buying a piece of the purple tort (bennett tort as people like to refer to it) I did not approach you. I told you what I gave for my frag over two years ago when I got it from Jan...$80. I offered a 2.5" + frag of mine to you for $60 and you tried to lowball me with the Bennett price. I told you that his frags were much smaller and there was quite the waiting list so to me the price seemed very fair. You didnt think so and declined. Sounds to me like if anybody is whining about price..... End of that story.

Second, what the heck are you talking about with "Your statement earlier now has me confused. I believe you over priced the market.. What statement did I make earlier that has you confused??? The one about "Unfortunately, this has already been going on. Some in this thread will know exactly to what I refer." For those without a clue what that was about (and it's now obvious there are at least a couple) I was referring to "fakes" (i.e. people representing a coral as one thing when it is not and charging serious dollar for it. There are some good threads here on RC detailing such instances and if you are good with the search feature you just might find one of them. Makes for some interesting reading, that's for sure.

John - You must be a Ray Reed bot, cuz you both are on the same wavelength with that nonsense of $80-100 a frag. I don't offer them for sale...not to you, not to Reed, nobody. As a matter of fact, I have given plenty of frags of that particular coral to friends who now enjoy them in their tanks also. Will continue to do so in the future. I pay whatever price I feel comfortable with for any given coral depending on how much I like it. Most of your post was just plain nonsense and to me it looks like you took multiple conversations we have had in person and twisted them into something to suit your mood today. I will be sure to remember this little facet when engaging with you in conversation in the future.

 

[Steve Tyree]

This thread has got lots of new postings.

Reefer on a Budget,

I personaly have no plans to sell the Rafael Monti as a LE. Rafael has 4 colonies of it. It will be ubiquitous soon. I am experimenting with the fragment I got from him to see if I can reproduce the exact uinique growth that the Leng Sy's colony had.

 

[Steve Tyree]

Dave,

I believe you got the Jason Day Montipora aquituberculata. It needs lots of light to keep its color.

The sky blue Monti was just hand delivered by the collector about a month ago. That is a nice coral but keeping it sky blue has proven to be difficult. We also recieved it about a year ago. At that time my frag stayed blue for three months then turned green. Steve Elias managed to keep his blue for quite awile. I am experimenting with it again and utilizing more light in the hopes to keep it sky blue for at least 6 months. I have distributed about 3 fragments of it this time, with the caveat that its difficult to hold the sky blue. No more available. Hopefully we will figure it out this time.

 

[Steve Tyree]

Mark,

Thats not the same coral. Yours looks more like the Jason Day Montipora aquituberculata. It is purple with blue polyps. Needs bright light to keep the color. 'The Idaho Grape' keeps its color even under VHO fluorescents.

reefer on a budget,

I am sure other reefers probably have or have had the 'Idaho Grape'. After all I did get it from a reefer. I think he said GARF had it originally, but I need to verify that. The coral you are describing sounds like it might be similar. But like I stated on the LE page, it was not pink, but some wierd shade between pink and purple. It is now grape colored. Not exactly dark purple. This coral has a very unique pigment I have ndever seen before and I have been looking at SPS for over 10 years. Perhaps you can post some pictures of the one you are describing.

 

[rreed]

frag

frag

Mako, I'm going to leave it at this. You wouldn't part from it for $60.00. I was willing to go $50.00 and you kept trying to tell me how much I would save in shipping.
I'm really more into history of the corals here and not into hearing all the whining about prices. It's like a car there are different models to chose from. If you want a digitata because it's cheap then go for it! Now I'm wondering who is smoking the pipe?

[edited]

 

[Steve Tyree]

Hello All,

Perhaps we can begin to wind this thread down with some clarifications. The thread has taken some odd twists and turns. I have attached an image of the sky blue Montipora that bonzai nut mentioned. It was just recently delivered to me. It is not available. We have had trouble maintaining the Sky Blue pigment long term. The picture does not accurately portray the color which under a 20,000 K looks bright baby blue. If I can maintain the pigment for 6 months and see good growth on the coral, it might be made available then. I still have the specimen of this coral that I recieved over a year ago that has turned bright green. Will be experimenting with it to try to regain the bright baby blue. At any rate, this is an exotic from Ponape.

The Blue undata fragment that I just shipped to Ray, is a new massive Montipora undata that just recently came in from Fiji. PAF had three of them . Steve Garrett and I bought one and cut it in half on his tile saw. I have now distributed two frags of it. We are experimenting with this coral as it has never come in before. Looks like it needs strong current and bright light. I can take a picture of it if anyones interested.

 

[ReeferMac]

Hello All,

Perhaps we can begin to wind this thread down.....

Here here. Lets all keep cool folks.
I for one would like to see a pict Steve.
That's a very nice coral pictured... I've got radiums and Iwasaki's over my tank, and lots of flow, and would be more than willing to test a frag of that out for you

YES, of course that was a joke!
Even I wouldn't be that shameless

- Mac

 

[ReefRelated]

Re: frag

Re: frag

I'm really more into history of the corals here and not into hearing all the whining about prices. It's like a car there are different models to chose from. If you want a digitata because it's cheap then go for it! Now I'm wondering who is smoking the pipe?

Why not just leave it at learning something that we all didn't know about until Steve posted the linneage of this coral. I don't have the coral but I'm sure I'll end up buying a frag of it. And besides frags are selling for $50.00 and I've seen you pay that for easy to get colonies at local lfs? Why not keep this going with informative information on this coral and photos of similiar corals and keep negative comments at bay.

My turn to respond. I find it interesting that I have to hear John and his buddy Ray getting on me because I am concerned about the pricing of corals. Ray I ask you, how much money have you spent in Johns store in the past year? I have a folder here FULL of receipts from Johns store alone. My guess would be $3000-$4000 this past year alone. From what I have been told, you never buy anything from John accept water. You don't even have an RO/DI system. It must be too expensive for you? Mako, I'm going to leave it at this. You wouldn't part from it for $60.00. I was willing to go $50.00 and you kept trying to tell me how much I would save in shipping. Sounds like you were the one whining about price. Don't forget, you would pay me for my frag either. You asked me weeks later to trade for a purple secale or selaris and I end up getting neither. You told me, that was what it was sold to you as. Who sold it to you Ray??? The frag I gave you appears to be very simular to the turqoise stag on the "most wanted lists" on Tyree's site (reeffarmers.com). You should be happy! Acropora abrolhensis is what I believe my piece is. Check this thread for more info on this coral. These pics were taken under 65k's. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1510772&highlight=blue+stag#post1510772

Steve Tyree,
I believe I have this coral http://reeffarmers.com/abrolhensismostwanted.htm
Look in my gallery for some pics of it.

To you John I say, I don't understand why you treat me and others the way you do. Who has contributed more to you and your store, Ray or myself??? I have spent a lot of money with you over the past 7-8 years. I have recomended may things to you that you have taken advantage of. I have refered countless people to your store including your AC/Chiller person and this is how I get treated. When I come in your store, half the time you act like your mad I am there. You insist on calling me out in a public forum over and over and over. This is my turn to call you out. I can name countless peope who are about a nats a$$ from ever stepping foot in your store again because of the way you treat them (if you would like to discuss any this in private, I would be happy to).

I decide to do some searching to find an old thread that I thought would be perfect for me to bring up here in this discussion. This is what can happen when we start selling "name brand" corals. This was what I believe are A. Tortuosa frags being sold as the "purple monster". We all know purple monster did and still does demand a high price. This coral was sold to many people as a purple monster and it is NOT. Ray and John, I would love to here your comments reguarding these threads?
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showt...799&perpage=25&highlight=monster&pagenumber=1
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101742&highlight=purple

 

[ReefRelated]

I thought I would post the pics of what I believe is the Tyree most wanted turqoise stag. This coral is exactly as he describes on his site and was givin this same ID by others here on RC. http://reeffarmers.com/mostwantedlists.htm

I will post newer pictures of this coral when I install my AB bulbs and get a better camera over here. The blue tips are 2 or 3 times longer than shown in these pics.

 

[Project Reef]

Tony that is a great looking abrolhensis stag. It's from Fiji. It's not the Tyree's most wanted Abro, but a beautiful coral nonetheless. What lighting do you have it under? Looks like sakis?