Ultra Low Nutrient Systems

andywe

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There is alot of information out about ideas around this, as well as several of our members using a few different methods. It had peaked my intrest and thought maybe a little discussion would be good for those of us learning about it or jsut want to know what the heck it is! I found 1 interesting product, but this should be to talk about the concept and Ultra Low nutrient systems (ULNS) and various ways our members have done it. Some local and trusted experiences.


Some dose vodka to try and achieve the ULNS bacteria, I know one member uses a rather expensive system in treating his system for a bad bacteria infection, and I have read about other products such as ZEOvit (expensive). I have now come across another entry to the market from Brightwell, who's products I use for other things and have had great results with. It's called NeoZeo and seems way more economical (maybe even cheaper than Vodak cause I know I'd drink some of that too hehe).

Brightwell thread on NeoZeo ULNS
 
This Is basically what I have been doing for some time now, although I do not have the reactor for the Zeolite rocks. This has been around for some time In many forms and gets very expensive to adhere to. I have chosen key pieces of their logic to achieve pretty good results ( me thinks ) For the whole line of additives Is way too costly. Amino Acids, Trace Elements, Vitamin C and Vodka Is my Cocktail and seems to be beneficial In color and growth. My skimmer also helps with nutrient Export which Is a key factor In dosing Vodka, Strong skimming Is needed to achieve the results your looking for In a ULNS. IMO.
 
SO expense was one reason I had my interest peaked about the brightwell NeoZeo. It isn't expensive (about the same as an average bottle of Vodka) in most states.
 
The rocks are fairly cheap, The reactor Is a little more, Then you have I think 7 supplements they use @ varying doses that add up to big money IMO. But what I use seems to work well for me, better than b4 I started my regimen. To be honest I have no proof any of their products actually work, Could be just the Vodka reducing nitrate and PO4 and making my skimmer really produce.
 
I run a UNLS and I don't use vodka or Zeo... I just use a very large skimmer (ASM G3) an skim very wet... I currently have zero phosphates, and zero nitrates...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14981072#post14981072 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChrisKirkland
I run a UNLS and I don't use vodka or Zeo... I just use a very large skimmer (ASM G3) an skim very wet... I currently have zero phosphates, and zero nitrates...

So I have zero Nitrates, Nitrites, and Phos as well, largely due to my awesome I-tech skimmer, but that seems to be only 1/2 the equation. The trace elements seem a large part as well. Is there not a distinction between Ultra Low nutrient and nutrient deficient?
 
Right On Andy, That's exactly the difference and my large skimmer Reeflo Orca 200 Is the mainstay of running an ULNS IMO.
 
I agree with you andy... I am battling (as of a few days ago) what looks to be a nutrient deficient system... My SPS corals are browning out...
 
ChrisKirkland, I would try adding Amino Acid and trace elements to start to put some nutrients back In your water column, Maybe tune the skimmer back a bit to let the coral gain some nutrition. Feed heavy as fish poop Is the best coral food IMO. The main benefit of dosing Vodka Is the ability to feed very heavy and still maintain O nitrate O Phosphate the result Is very healthy SPS with great color and growth. I'm not saying this Is the only way, But It's worked great for me.
 
Brightwell's Amino Acid complex, And I do It both way's depends on how lazy I feel weather I target feed or not. They seem to work both way's, Turning the skimmer off for an hour or so Is helpful so It's not just skimmed out. Another brand I like Is Reef Plus by Seachem You can buy a 1/2 gal online for cheap compared to brightwell, But I like both. I do not dose daily, Just 2x a week FYI.
 
Well, in analysing the numbers between the GFO and Carbon I run now, the cost of running the Zeovit is similar since I do not have to run GFO or Carbon. The reefbuilder takes place of the Vodka for carbon supplement, and the Amino's is what I was looking at, but that is the most expensive component.

No I do already feed the PhytoChrom which is fortified with Vitamins and Amino's, so I may be able to forgo the AA altogether..still researching. Maybe dose AA 2x a week becasue the daily Phyto feed has some already...


Here is the basic program as far as I have found. there is a more in depth pdf I am looking for, but here is the basic start:

Rinse material in freshwater prior to initial placement in aquarium system.
It must be remembered that NeoZeo is an extremely effective absorber of ammonium, and corals that have become accustomed to, and dependant upon, the presence of ammonium are likely to show an initial negative response to the rapid removal of this ion. As expected, this is an issue that is primarily encountered in aquaria that have been established for many years; aquaria that utilze the NeoZeo system from the onset are far less-likely to exhibit this sort of ammonium-related issue. The following recommendations are based upon extensive testing and will produce the best results in most aquaria.

Weeks 1 and 2:

Place 200 g each week of NeoZeo for each 100 US gallons in the entire aquarium system into an appropriate media reactor; adjust the rate of water flow through the reactor to ~25 gph. Add 5 ml MicroBacter7 per 100 US gallons daily.

Weeks 3 and 4:

Add 200 g each week of NeoZeo for each 100 US gallons in the entire aquarium system into the media reactor; increase water flow through the reactor to ~50 gph. Add 2 1/2 ml MicroBacter7 and Reef BioFuel per 100 US gallons daily.

Week 5:

Add 200 g of NeoZeo for each 100 US gallons in the entire aquarium system into the media reactor; increase water flow through the reactor to ~100 gph. Add 2 1/2 ml MicroBacter7 and Reef BioFuel per 100 US gallons daily.
Once the first 5 weeks of usage has passed, adjust the dosage of MicroBacter7 and Reef BioFuel according to the appearance of the system, the inhabitants, and as dictated by the water parameters.
Refer to the instructions on each of the afore-mentioned supplements’ labels for additional information.

Every 6 weeks, change 25% of the NeoZeo media and add 2 1/2 ml MicroBacter7 and Reef BioFuel per 100 US gallons daily for 1 week before resuming normal dosing schedule.
Due to the highly-porous nature of NeoZeo and the rate at which it is colonized by microbes, some degree of surface impaction with latent organic material and microbial biomass will invariably occur with time. It is important to gently dislodge this material from the NeoZeo media by physically handling it (see the instructions that accompany the media reactor) and/or by briefly increasing the flow rate through the reactor to help blow some of the latent material into the water column. This material will be fed upon by various aquarium inhabitants and is also removed via protein skimming and mechanical filtration.
 
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Yes I've read that whole thread and considered going that route, But never followed up. The only reason being that I'm happy with the results I'm getting now, If It aint broke don't fix It, Knock on wood!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14983306#post14983306 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poolkeeper1
Yes I've read that whole thread and considered going that route, But never followed up. The only reason being that I'm happy with the results I'm getting now, If It aint broke don't fix It, Knock on wood!!!

Yep..I ordered 2.2 lbs of NeoZeo ($9), Brightwell Coralamino 250ml ($32 but the large bottle), Reefbuilder ($8), and Micrbactoria7 ($7). We shall see how it does since I plan on dosing COralAmino only a few times a week since I already have some AMino's in the daily dose of Phyto, and I dose Iron and Manganese once a week. I might add Vitmin-C after week 5 as well.
 
I've been dosing Vitamin C only for the last month or so and I am not sure of any benefit yet! I think It will mostly benefit the fish In your system, I add It to the food I feed.
 
I would follow whatever their dosing Instructions are to start, Then watch for any Algae outbreaks as a Indicator of overdosing. Then watch your results and adjust from there, Hope this helps! It may take several weeks b4 you see Improvement but you will.
 
Andy,

Make sure that you understand exactly how brightwell wants one to use their system. These systems work but you can really mess up your tank if you don't do it right.

SunnyX recommends that you start by just adding the microbacter7 for a week before starting to add anything else. This gets a good bit of the bacteria needed for these systems going before you start adding anything else and helps to deter any of the negative aspects of using one of these systems. I agree with him. The bacteria will be there and ready to start feeding once you add the carbon source at the end of the week.

Also remember it takes 6 weeks maybe longer to see the effects of these systems. While waiting on the results people may accuse you of doing nothing ;)

If you want proof of what these systems do look at SunnyX's thread or if you are in Spring Hill look at Bill's tank. You can also feel free to stop by here and look at that "algae" problem that I had.
 
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