UV leds. Is there any new information out there

There seems to be a bit of confusion here about a number of factors concerning this issue which I think we need to distinguish between.

Florescence is the phenomenon where many of our 'neon' colours absorb actinic/royal blue/violet/ultraviolet light and re-emit it at a longer wavelength which their algae can utilize for photosynthesis.

Pigmentation in regards to UV is where corals supposedly produce certain pigments in order to protect themselves from the large amount of UV light they are exposed to in shallow water. (Similar to how we tan). According to what other hobbyists report from certain studies, this phenomena of coral pigmentation has definitively been proven, and disproved. You decide. When this pigmentation phenomenon is discussed, it seems it is usually in regards to UV-B medium wavelength UV light, which in high doses is what can cause things like sunburns to us.

Short wavelength light such as violet light doesn't usually 'look' very bright, as our eyes are not very sensitive to this light, but that doesn't mean the light is not there either.

So it depends upon what you're trying to achieve, whether adding violet light to fill out that missing part of the light spectrum to light your tank for your own preference, if you're trying to make your corals produce pigments to protect themselves against excessive UV-B light, or if you're trying to achieve greater coral florescence by adding light from one of these spectrums. Of course, not all corals floresce, and equally, not all corals (if any) produce UV blocker pigments.

I discussed it this weekend with a well-renowned coral guru, and he said that it'd be just fine to add a bit of UV-A light such as 365 nm LED's in order to really get the florescence to pop. Or a cheaper alternative is to add a fluorescent black light, which produces deep violet light primarily which will get your corals to pop certainly but will make your tank look purple as well of course.

Whether or not true UV light sources actually do produce a significant amount of 'light' is a different matter, which I'm not sure of.
 
Great thread. My tank is in a polycarbonate greenhouse. After I built it I read in Anthony Calfo's coral propagation book to get as much UV light onto corals as possible. But my polycarbonate, like everything in the greenhouse business is U/V shielded. So I may need to supplement the 400 to 420 um range with LEDs as you guys are saying.

So I'm very interested in your recommendations for light that stimulates color. Most corals in greenhouses tend to brown out in the sun and I've not heard a clear answer why. I guess they use brown "sunscreen" because sunlight is too intense for deeper water corals which we keep at just a foot or two of depth.

Do you have any measurable phosphates and/or nitrates in your water, and are you diligent about using phosphate removing chemical media such as Rowaphos?

For from what I gather, browning out is due to algae blooming due to the presence of those, not due to the spectrum of light. If I'm mistaken then please correct that however.

From my discussion with an expert on this, he advised heavily feeding corals. (Not starving them, in contrast to what we might have concluded from the article I mentioned on the last page). And advised to export nutrients through heavy skimming or other means, as well as using chemical media to remove phosphates to thus run low waterborne free nutrient levels. Thus, the corals will get plenty of nutrients from being fed and will grow rapidly, while the algae that cause brownout will not be receiving much in terms of nutrients. He also advised that lighting is over-rated by most reefkeepers for achieving healthy colourful coral growth.
 
A bout of ICH has detained me from posting my DYI LED hood project.
Mike @ Rapid LED was a huge help in setting this up.

125 Mixed Reef. 48) Cool White Cree XP-G R5 LEDs, 48) Royal Blue Cree XP-E LEDs, 6) Violet UV 3W LED[410-420nm wavelength], 4) Osram 660nm 3W Red LED[660nm wavelength] and 4) Royal Blue Moonlight LEDs

The Blues, Whites and Lunar are on separate dimmers.

I am thinking about adding a few green after reading this thread??

I have no clue about Coral growth rates as I am getting this 8mo then moved 3 mo ago tank dialed in. I can tell you that I can see alot of coral growth and the lights have been up for 6 weeks.

The 6 UV's make a HUGE difference. Only 6 throw a wonderful glow
THE COOLEST is the Lunar Moon light. On the dimmer, I can bring it from total darkness to the faintest hint of light to barley a shadow and up from there. Extreme coolness points for being able to watch a flame scallop balance on the top of the reef without spooking him.

If ANYONE has any doubt about LED's Brightness.... WOW... they are BRIGHT!!!
The reduced TOTAL cost of LED is wonderful...
No Chiller needed, lots less on the Electric bill and no maintenance for years!
 
Haha, I won't correct anything. I am not an expert in this game.

For me, I don't see my UV LEDs at all if ANY other source of lighting is present. I mean even a small amount of daylight from my window washes them out. BUT, I can tell that my corals "see" the UV light because they perk up a little bit.

I plan to run 3-4 UV Stunners on my new fixture because I like what they have done so far. I bought a totally browned out SPS from my LFS and I think it may be a Tri-Color. It has the brightest green polyps and all the tips are turning a nice purple color. Only time will tell. It has been in the tank about 3 weeks as of today and I personally have never had color change this quick on SPS. At least not in the positive....:D

Thats what i m looking for, the colored tips. I have several sps corals i got from the sea and they had purple and blue tips only on the branches closest to the surface of the sea which tells that theres a relation between light rays from the sun and coloring of the tips closest to the surface. These corals are growing great now in my tank but they lost all the purple and blue colors on the tips in about a month or two. There are several articles that says UV makes corals tips color up with protective pigments and there are other articles that says they dont. I am really leaning towards that they do. I have an LED fixture with 24 leds natural white - 48 leds blue/royal blue - 12 violet 410-420nm. The violet leds are a new addition to my tank havent been running for more than a week so i dont know if they will affect the corals in anyway. I would like to experiment with a couple of UV leds and see what they ll do.

Rtparty, which UV leds are you using on your current tank? I dont know which wavelength should i get. I was thinking 365nm UVs but i would rather use the ones you are using since you said you already got good results using them.
 
LOTS of great info here... No consensus on its impact. No surprises there when the discussion is split between impact to coral health, and what looks good to the eye - a subjective measure at best. Within that huge range of information I'm seeking a very narrow bit of guidance...

I want to add violets to my LED only tank lighting system. For those of you you with the same (LED only), what ratio of UV's (violet) to ALL other LEDs are you running to achieve the "pop" Violets can provide?

PLEASE do not waste the community's time with conjecture. I'm seeking the voice of experience. Thank you. :)
 
I recently added 6 violet leds.

12 NW - 850 mA
18 RB - 700 mA
3 B - 700 mA
6 violet - 700 mA

60 degree optics on everything but violet leds. I noticed an obvious pop of fluorescence in some corals, but it wasn't overpowering. My total light mix turned just a hair purple. Final say: No new noticed growth or response, but I do like the added "pop". I might add more in the future.
 
A bout of ICH has detained me from posting my DYI LED hood project.
Mike @ Rapid LED was a huge help in setting this up.

125 Mixed Reef. 48) Cool White Cree XP-G R5 LEDs, 48) Royal Blue Cree XP-E LEDs, 6) Violet UV 3W LED[410-420nm wavelength], 4) Osram 660nm 3W Red LED[660nm wavelength] and 4) Royal Blue Moonlight LEDs

The Blues, Whites and Lunar are on separate dimmers.

I am thinking about adding a few green after reading this thread??

I have no clue about Coral growth rates as I am getting this 8mo then moved 3 mo ago tank dialed in. I can tell you that I can see alot of coral growth and the lights have been up for 6 weeks.

The 6 UV's make a HUGE difference. Only 6 throw a wonderful glow
THE COOLEST is the Lunar Moon light. On the dimmer, I can bring it from total darkness to the faintest hint of light to barley a shadow and up from there. Extreme coolness points for being able to watch a flame scallop balance on the top of the reef without spooking him.

If ANYONE has any doubt about LED's Brightness.... WOW... they are BRIGHT!!!
The reduced TOTAL cost of LED is wonderful...
No Chiller needed, lots less on the Electric bill and no maintenance for years!

Adding 4) Green to the mix!
 
I recently added 6 violet leds.

12 NW - 850 mA
18 RB - 700 mA
3 B - 700 mA
6 violet - 700 mA

60 degree optics on everything but violet leds. I noticed an obvious pop of fluorescence in some corals, but it wasn't overpowering. My total light mix turned just a hair purple. Final say: No new noticed growth or response, but I do like the added "pop". I might add more in the future.

Patzig, Are you using dimming? how are your drivers split up? and what are you using as a controller? Thanks---Rick
 
Mean well 48d @ 850mA - 12 NW (driver has 10v power supply with pot to dim)
Mean well constant 700mA - 14 RB
Mean well constant 700mA - 4 RB, 6 UV, 3 B

Split up into 3 13 led clusters. I plan on using 3 48p drivers and driving with an arduino controller pretty soon. Sunrise/sunset and all that goodness.
 
I want to add violets to my LED only tank lighting system. For those of you you with the same (LED only), what ratio of UV's (violet) to ALL other LEDs are you running to achieve the "pop" Violets can provide?

I have 18 violet LEDs out of a total of 106. I have 14 running on one string and 6 running on a 2nd string mixed with RB's. I highly recommend running at least one string of just violets so that you can turn them on independently. I run them almost 12 hours per day - they make a great dusk/dawn look. They are dim enough that I don't even use them on a dimmer.

My overall breakdown is:
24 white (mostly neutral, a few warms, a few cools)
48 RB
12 Blue
18 Violet
4 Deep Red (660nm)
 
I recently added 6 violet leds.

12 NW - 850 mA
18 RB - 700 mA
3 B - 700 mA
6 violet - 700 mA

60 degree optics on everything but violet leds. I noticed an obvious pop of fluorescence in some corals, but it wasn't overpowering. My total light mix turned just a hair purple. Final say: No new noticed growth or response, but I do like the added "pop". I might add more in the future.
Thanks! That's what I was hoping to hear. :)

So with 6 violet to 12 neutral whites, you're seeing violet YET you'd like more pop, and are considering adding more anyway.

That's exactly the sort of guidance I was looking for. Thanks!
 
I have 18 violet LEDs out of a total of 106. I have 14 running on one string and 6 running on a 2nd string mixed with RB's. I highly recommend running at least one string of just violets so that you can turn them on independently. I run them almost 12 hours per day - they make a great dusk/dawn look. They are dim enough that I don't even use them on a dimmer.

My overall breakdown is:
24 white (mostly neutral, a few warms, a few cools)
48 RB
12 Blue
18 Violet
4 Deep Red (660nm)

yeldarbj, Would you have any pics. you could put up of your tank lighting?Thanks---Rick
 
Thanks! That's what I was hoping to hear. :)

So with 6 violet to 12 neutral whites, you're seeing violet YET you'd like more pop, and are considering adding more anyway.

That's exactly the sort of guidance I was looking for. Thanks!

It's funny, I took many of your posts into consideration from the LED Color Aesthetics thread when I built my fixture. So thank you for your guidance as well :)
 
i haven't read the whole thread but here's something that some people should know:

UV light is invisible to humans. The UV light may cause corals to produce more pigments, but you will not see any immediate difference by flipping on the UV light. If you do see a difference, what you are seeing is NOT ultraviolet light.
 
i haven't read the whole thread but here's something that some people should know:

UV light is invisible to humans. The UV light may cause corals to produce more pigments, but you will not see any immediate difference by flipping on the UV light. If you do see a difference, what you are seeing is NOT ultraviolet light.

Might help to read the thread before posting next time :-)
 
It's funny, I took many of your posts into consideration from the LED Color Aesthetics thread when I built my fixture. So thank you for your guidance as well :)
That is a hoot, huh?

I guess that's how things work! ;)
 
Mike from RapidLed said they would start offering lenses for the "uv violet" led around April 5. I think just adding the lenses will be the good little boost I'm looking for.
 
i haven't read the whole thread but here's something that some people should know:

UV light is invisible to humans. The UV light may cause corals to produce more pigments, but you will not see any immediate difference by flipping on the UV light. If you do see a difference, what you are seeing is NOT ultraviolet light.

Technically, this is false BTW. UV light starts around 400nm and goes down from there. Some humans can see down to ~385nm. Thus, they can see UV light.

I would consider it rare for people to see anything below the 400nm mark but it isn't as cold cut as you make it seem.

Also, can you see the wind? Or do you just notice its effects?
 

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