Video: Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

1st Customer with a confirmed order to post.

What did i win?

Edit: I guess you can give me my $10.00. I didnt see the coupon posted above. ;0)
 
$10 off orders $100+

$10 off orders $100+

1st Customer with a confirmed order to post.

What did i win?

Edit: I guess you can give me my $10.00. I didnt see the coupon posted above. ;0)

What is your order #? You can PM it to us if you prefer. I'll shoot it over to our support team so they can apply the discount retroactively.
 
What is your order #? You can PM it to us if you prefer. I'll shoot it over to our support team so they can apply the discount retroactively.


Already taken care of. These things have more power than I exoected. At the surface they were blowing my torch around enough to upset it pretty bad at 100% while my vortex sits 2 feet away from it running 100% reef crest which it seems to like...plus the vortex is a foot below the water level.

The setup was a snap. They are hefty pumps with strong magnets. Controllability is comparable to a Vortech with a wxm. The telemetry is way cool as expected. I suspect I will never run these much higher than 80%.

I have them on the sides towards the rear (in the corner) and angled in to the opposite corner and they criss cross at the center. (which was my plan all along but strangely was also Neptune's recommended placement in the set up instructions ). On high they can visibly push the water clear across a 6 ft tank which corner to corner is probably close to 80 inches. Running them on low with my other 4 pumps on low in night mode turns up enough surface agitation to mimic a real reef. My challenge tonight was how low to set every down to prevent audible splashing. If your closer than 2.5 inches from water surface and turn them on 100% from a dead stop they make a heck of a splash. Not enough to get any water on my lights 8 inches up (checked and they were bone dry) but the splashing made me think I had soaked them. 3 Inches from surface is minimum.

One pump is noticeably louder than the other. It's noise level is on par with my MP40 on high whike the other is next to silent. I got it a bit quite by angling it even more on its cradle (seems the more it's angled the quiter it is), I've got it at a pretty sharp angle but I didn't worry about it coming off its cradle because supposedly it will sense that and shut off and send me a message. I haven't tested that out.

Anyway, I wonder if the difference in noise levels speaks to the typical 1st Gen quality control issues? I had the same thing with 2 kessil lights I bought....they both worked perfect...one was noisey and one was silent.

Neptune needs a way to add in non wav. pumps into their formula if they expect people to take the total flo panel seriously (thinking about hiding it). My suggestion would be to at least offer an estimate on vortech and gyres based on the pump type and selected speed and program....since both of these have Apex certified control modules.

The individual pump panels however are a revolution in pump monitoring and alarm notification. Revolution, not evolution.

It will be fun programming these with 4 other controllable pumps to play with. Just for fun I set up a schedule where each pump comes on and shuts off in a coordinated pattern, almost in a 360 degree circle. ..it's a 1 hour rotation but I'd like to see it in 6 second cycle. ....it's only it wasn't such a pita to program a coordinated rotation like that.

Anyway. There are two unused ports on the 1 link that no one knows what they are for. If I had to guess I'd say they are so you can add two smaller pumps to the back glass.....but who knows.
 
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Just noticed something interesting. If you use the wizard to graph 0 % the pump will remain on at 1% (around 1800RPMs). Not sure if Neptune did that on purpose or if that was an oversight. I am going to try some programming with the OSC feature next, I assume that will give me a full off.
 
Just noticed something interesting. If you use the wizard to graph 0 % the pump will remain on at 1% (around 1800RPMs). Not sure if Neptune did that on purpose or if that was an oversight. I am going to try some programming with the OSC feature next, I assume that will give me a full off.

I assume that it is a feature to prevent fish or snails from getting stuck while its off.
 
I assume that it is a feature to prevent fish or snails from getting stuck while its off.

I think its user error. The Left Wav goes completely off. If I set the mode to constant and the % to 0 it eventually goes off.

Using the wizard I ran into an issue with my programming where it ramps when I want it completely off. To combat this I set an extra data point. Example 12:59 50% 1:00: 0% so that it shuts down over a minute rather than an hour or more.

But for some weird reason, some of the profiles wont let me type 12:59...I can only enter 12:55 which means it ramps down over 5 minutes (weird thing is some of the profiles will let me do 12:50 to 1:00). Again, this could be something built into the wizard for the wav pumps I have no idea.

At any rate if you are at the end of a cycle its going to start ramping into the next phase unless you add additional reference points at 0%.

If I had one complaint about the wizard in fusion this would be it. If you want to run the modes with the time points, the fusion wizard is easier but if you want simple OSC schedules the just adding the code is much easier than the wizard.

Fortunately you can go in after you are done with the wizard and add standard programming for OSC and virtual outlet as well as feed cycles on the end. At any rate if you are setting a time at 0% in the wizard you want to use constant as the mode, as I have now duplicated the issue where it comes on to 1% when set to mavericks. We will see what others experience is.

If Neptune had a set of 2,000 gallon per hour pumps for the back wall, I could see where my entire tank could be run exclusively on these pumps. At $199.00 to replace (figure $125 for smaller versions) I think you could easily have a product winner here.
 
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Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

I wonder if the difference in noise levels speaks to the typical 1st Gen quality control issues? I had the same thing with 2 kessil lights I bought....they both worked perfect...one was noisey and one was silent.

Thank you so much for all your insights! They are very helpful to know. The WAV pumps are still quite new, so this is the first we are hearing of varying noise levels. You might try posting in Neptune Systems' sponsored forum here on RC if you think it's abnormal. They are very responsive to user feedback.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=368
 
Thank you so much for all your insights! They are very helpful to know. The WAV pumps are still quite new, so this is the first we are hearing of varying noise levels. You might try posting in Neptune Systems' sponsored forum here on RC if you think it's abnormal. They are very responsive to user feedback.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=368


I'm going to give it a couple days first. I swear I saw something in the documentation or one of the videos where they advised to ignore nuiances like that for the first few days while the pump is new so this could be more of a break in issue.

Have you seen that? I cant remember where I saw it. :dance:
 
Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

I'm going to give it a couple days first. I swear I saw something in the documentation or one of the videos where they advised to ignore nuiances like that for the first few days while the pump is new so this could be more of a break in issue.

Have you seen that? I cant remember where I saw it. :dance:

The only mention of noise in the manual refers to Pipeline mode. In our short time using the WAV, we found the driver system to be very quiet.

At the end of the day, we just want you to be happy with your choice, so perhaps Neptune Systems can offer some reassurances or recommend some simple steps to try and ensure it's as quiet as it's designed to be.
 
The only mention of noise in the manual refers to Pipeline mode. In our short time using the WAV, we found the driver system to be very quiet.

At the end of the day, we just want you to be happy with your choice, so perhaps Neptune Systems can offer some reassurances or recommend some simple steps to try and ensure it's as quiet as it's designed to be.


Understood. I opened a ticket with them just to see what they would say.

In the mean time I discovered that I could only program the pumps in fusion with the wizard. With my Gyre and Jaebos, I can use the wizard in fusion and add additional commands in such as pulse modes. With both the Vortechs and Wavs, which already have feature modes, they seem to ignore what ever is in the text box (unless its a feed command) and just run what ever the fusion wizard tells them to run.
 
As a follow up the pump seems fine. The telemetry from the two pumps isn't identical but I suppose that is to be expected. The noise ..I believe is coming from (don't laugh) a Vortech MP40qd which unexpected got louder by coincidence right around the same time that I installed the Wavs.

At least, that's what I think is going on.
 
Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

Hands-on with Neptune Systems' WAV pump

As a follow up the pump seems fine. The telemetry from the two pumps isn't identical but I suppose that is to be expected. The noise ..I believe is coming from (don't laugh) a Vortech MP40qd which unexpected got louder by coincidence right around the same time that I installed the Wavs.

At least, that's what I think is going on.

Oh, the irony! :fun2:

Thank you for following up!
 
Oh, the irony! :fun2:

Thank you for following up!

Some more good news. These pumps have a normal operating temperature range of "40% to 50%" but I have yet to see them get above 41%. Usually they are at 39%. Impressive.

I'm told the 1link can be used as a power detect out sensor in lieu of having a 12v (but I haven't tried that out).

The email alert will give you "wav error" or something to that impact in your email. When you check on the status it will give you the error right in the status bar and the range of information available includes: "missing" = Not connected. "Temper" High Temp = Time to clean the pump. "Stalled" = Something is stuck in your pump...please go remove it. "Volts" - Power supply insufficient...you probably need a new power brick or a new 1link and "POSERR" = Your pump has been knocked out of position, has for some reason fallen and you need to go put it back.

Youll be able to tell right in your text or email which pump it is also.

The above is what makes these pumps special in my opinion. I can tell from the circulation I am getting that an 8 foot tank would not be beyond the capability of these. I can also tell you that using them on a back wall or anything less than 4 feet could be considered "overkill".

I have read up on FLO and its a pretty cool measurement. It actually factors in the size of your tank and lists the readings on a granular level of 1-10 and even has a guide with recommendations as to what level you should be at for what types of tanks (FO, Soft, LPS, SPS and insane).
 
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