VIDEO - Help with Naso tang

ReeFreak1 said:
Not to bust everyone's bubble, but I think there is another issue here. This fish is gasping for air. Of course that could be caused from stress as everyone agreed, but could also be some sort of a disease or parasite? Do you have a QT? If so, I would put it in there and start Hypo-salinity. This reduces stress almost immediately and provides more oxygen to the already weekend fish, which will enhance appetite. Of course this procedure will remove most parasites although not very effective on flukes. Sorry but it is just my opinion that I think the fish is sick.
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He has supposedly sold the fish.
 
maddmaxx said:
i still think its the same person...
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Not to side track this thread but it was reported and I feel pretty safe saying they're not the same person :). If somebody has good evidence to the contrary I'd welcome a PM, but I have good reason to not think so at this point in time.

As for you Brett - my advise to you right now after reading pretty much every post you've made on here is for you to slow way down, do a whole lot of reading, and start listening to some of the advice you've been given. One of the sayings I've always liked is "the only thing that happens fast in reefkeeping is disaster" and its truth. You may not like hearing it but based on other posts you've made on here you should not be adding any more fish to this tank and in fact should be considering removing a couple. A tank of the size you say you have should not have multiple tangs, in fact a single tang is pushing it.

Unfortunately I fear this all may be falling on deaf ears considering your opinions you've posted on here previously :(.
brett559 said:
Thanks for the input.

I am somewhat amazed by some of these posts. Like I am a monster because I have a certain fish in my tank. Someone said that it doesn't matter what fish I want, I should think of the fish first and foremost. This whole hobby is inherently selfish. I have a Naso tang in my 90 gallon because I want a Naso tang, and a 90 gallon system fell into my lap. When my Naso tang gets too big, I will post a link on my local reef club and within 20 minutes 15 people will be clamoring for a free, healthy Naso tang.

If any of you cared about the fish, you'd leave them in the ocean. The hobby requires us to take fish, who have evolved and are meant to swim in millions of gallons of water, and put them in a box. My box is 90 gallons, yours is 150. At the end of the day, your blue tang is in a cage. I mean, it is what it is. That's the whole point. We remove these ocean creatures and put them in our living room. And I love it - my children love it. It's super fun. If you agree to take a fish into your tank, you of course need to take care of it. But we are not doing these fish any favors. We do this because WE want a fish tank in our house. Period.

I didn't ask for advice on my Naso tang. I asked whether Flame Angels are reef safe. This is supposed to be a place where people can ask for advice. That's what I'm trying to do. Thank you for those who replied.
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Cody, every once in awhile someone "gets its". We can only hope this will be one of those cases (before many more fish are lost).
 
I simply don't get where this is all coming from. I had a tang get spiked in a freak accident by a foxface and it died. My yellow tang picked on a second naso tang, so I removed him from the tank and am simply waiting to deliver it to a member of my local reef club.

All this talk of disaster and not getting it - I just don't understand. I'm sure I'm not the first person who has had an aggressive yellow tang. And I took care of the problem!

Why would I remove fish? I have 6 fish in a 90 gallon tank - two happy clowns, a yellow tang (over 2 years old), a tiny healthy blue tang, a coral beauty (also over 2 years old), and a royal gramma.

My intent is not to immediately go out and buy all these fish I am asking about. I am trying to do like you suggest - trying to learn what works. I've always wanted a Naso tang, and in hindsight it didn't work out. But to question everything I've done and every decision I've made, I just don't think that's justified. I really am trying my best.

I have no doubt you all know more than me - you are all better at this than me, I'm sure. I really felt terrible when I lost my Naso tang. And I am trying to "get it". But some of these replies, it almost seems like you are enjoying the "I told you so" opportunity. "Before many more fish are lost" - how am I supposed to take that?

Lesson learned. I will not add any more tangs to my current setup. I have wanted to start this hobby for years. I came to what I consider the best source for help and advice (and yes, that has included problems with one fish).

If you look again at the fish I have, every fish is listed as "easy" according to Live Aquaria. I'm not trying to bite off more than I can chew - I am trying to make decisions that will result in healthy, happy fish.

So yes, putting a third tang in my tank didn't work out. Some on this forum said it could be done, numerous members of my local reef club shared positive experiences. I didn't show up at the LFS, say "Wow! That one's pretty" and then take it home.

Anyway, that's more than you probably want to hear. And yes, I only have one account. Not sure what that discussion is about. I'm not trying to hide anything - again, my thought was that posting in the "newbie" section would result in less harsh replies.

And my "rant" about the selfishness of the hobby - that is something I struggle with. I've always loved marine creatures, but there is a definite trade-off to taking part in this hobby:
http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/aquarium-fish-death.html#cr (about 80% of all marine fish die even before they are sold).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZNnFXX3Kk

I have decided to take part in a hobby where millions of fish die, who would not otherwise - and so have you. Think about that before you cast stones at me. I avoid Petco and other stores that don't follow good business practices. I support a local store where the owner is a former marine biologist who tries to get captive-bred fish whenever he can, and stocks healthy fish. So BrianD, your comment is not well taken. Things happen in this hobby; I'm sure you've all lost dozens of fish. I have lost one.

My plan going forward is to add a wrasse or two, maybe some chromis or an anthias.

Had I known that beautiful naso tang would have died, I would never have gotten it. It really did break my heart (and my young son's - he cried. We buried it in the front yard).

So I have learned my lesson. I hope to continue to seek advice in this forum.
 
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brett559 said:
I simply don't get where this is all coming from. I had a tang get spiked in a freak accident by a foxface and it died. My yellow tang picked on a second naso tang, so I removed him from the tank and am simply waiting to deliver it to a member of my local reef club.

All this talk of disaster and not getting it - I just don't understand. I'm sure I'm not the first person who has had an aggressive yellow tang. And I took care of the problem!

Why would I remove fish? I have 6 fish in a 90 gallon tank - two happy clowns, a yellow tang (over 2 years old), a tiny healthy blue tang, a coral beauty (also over 2 years old), and a royal gramma.

My intent is not to immediately go out and buy all these fish I am asking about. I am trying to do like you suggest - trying to learn what works. I've always wanted a Naso tang, and in hindsight it didn't work out. But to question everything I've done and every decision I've made, I just don't think that's justified. I really am trying my best.

I have no doubt you all know more than me - you are all better at this than me, I'm sure. I really felt terrible when I lost my Naso tang. And I am trying to "get it". But some of these replies, it almost seems like you are enjoying the "I told you so" opportunity. "Before many more fish are lost" - how am I supposed to take that?

Lesson learned. I will not add any more tangs to my current setup. I have wanted to start this hobby for years. I came to what I consider the best source for help and advice (and yes, that has included problems with one fish).

If you look again at the fish I have, every fish is listed as "easy" according to Live Aquaria. I'm not trying to bite off more than I can chew - I am trying to make decisions that will result in healthy, happy fish.

So yes, putting a third tang in my tank didn't work out. Some on this forum said it could be done, numerous members of my local reef club shared positive experiences. I didn't show up at the LFS, say "Wow! That one's pretty" and then take it home.

Anyway, that's more than you probably want to hear. And yes, I only have one account. Not sure what that discussion is about. I'm not trying to hide anything - again, my thought was that posting in the "newbie" section would result in less harsh replies.

And my "rant" about the selfishness of the hobby - that is something I struggle with. I've always loved marine creatures, but there is a definite trade-off to taking part in this hobby:
http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/aquarium-fish-death.html#cr (about 80% of all marine fish die even before they are sold).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZNnFXX3Kk

I have decided to take part in a hobby where millions of fish die, who would not otherwise - and so have you. Think about that before you cast stones at me. I avoid Petco and other stores that don't follow good business practices. I support a local store where the owner is a former marine biologist who tries to get captive-bred fish whenever he can, and stocks healthy fish. So BrianD, your comment is not well taken. Things happen in this hobby; I'm sure you've all lost dozens of fish. I have lost one.

My plan going forward is to add a wrasse or two, maybe some chromis or an anthias.

Had I known that beautiful naso tang would have died, I would never have gotten it. It really did break my heart (and my young son's - he cried. We buried it in the front yard).

So I have learned my lesson. I hope to continue to seek advice in this forum.
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Sorry about your loss; I feel for you Brett. Everyone is throwing stones at you and that did not save the poor fish or your son from crying. I think everyone needs to be more patient and understanding with one another as learning comes the hard way sometimes.
 
brett559 said:
I simply don't get where this is all coming from. I had a tang get spiked in a freak accident by a foxface and it died. My yellow tang picked on a second naso tang, so I removed him from the tank and am simply waiting to deliver it to a member of my local reef club.

All this talk of disaster and not getting it - I just don't understand. I'm sure I'm not the first person who has had an aggressive yellow tang. And I took care of the problem!

Why would I remove fish? I have 6 fish in a 90 gallon tank - two happy clowns, a yellow tang (over 2 years old), a tiny healthy blue tang, a coral beauty (also over 2 years old), and a royal gramma.

My intent is not to immediately go out and buy all these fish I am asking about. I am trying to do like you suggest - trying to learn what works. I've always wanted a Naso tang, and in hindsight it didn't work out. But to question everything I've done and every decision I've made, I just don't think that's justified. I really am trying my best.

I have no doubt you all know more than me - you are all better at this than me, I'm sure. I really felt terrible when I lost my Naso tang. And I am trying to "get it". But some of these replies, it almost seems like you are enjoying the "I told you so" opportunity. "Before many more fish are lost" - how am I supposed to take that?

Lesson learned. I will not add any more tangs to my current setup. I have wanted to start this hobby for years. I came to what I consider the best source for help and advice (and yes, that has included problems with one fish).

If you look again at the fish I have, every fish is listed as "easy" according to Live Aquaria. I'm not trying to bite off more than I can chew - I am trying to make decisions that will result in healthy, happy fish.

So yes, putting a third tang in my tank didn't work out. Some on this forum said it could be done, numerous members of my local reef club shared positive experiences. I didn't show up at the LFS, say "Wow! That one's pretty" and then take it home.

Anyway, that's more than you probably want to hear. And yes, I only have one account. Not sure what that discussion is about. I'm not trying to hide anything - again, my thought was that posting in the "newbie" section would result in less harsh replies.

And my "rant" about the selfishness of the hobby - that is something I struggle with. I've always loved marine creatures, but there is a definite trade-off to taking part in this hobby:
http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/aquarium-fish-death.html#cr (about 80% of all marine fish die even before they are sold).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZNnFXX3Kk

I have decided to take part in a hobby where millions of fish die, who would not otherwise - and so have you. Think about that before you cast stones at me. I avoid Petco and other stores that don't follow good business practices. I support a local store where the owner is a former marine biologist who tries to get captive-bred fish whenever he can, and stocks healthy fish. So BrianD, your comment is not well taken. Things happen in this hobby; I'm sure you've all lost dozens of fish. I have lost one.

My plan going forward is to add a wrasse or two, maybe some chromis or an anthias.

Had I known that beautiful naso tang would have died, I would never have gotten it. It really did break my heart (and my young son's - he cried. We buried it in the front yard).

So I have learned my lesson. I hope to continue to seek advice in this forum.
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I understand that you are still new to the hobby but even after people are telling you that two tangs in a 3 foot 90 gallon tank is still too much, you still want to add more fish. First, I would find the tangs a better home and accept that you will not be able to keep tangs. Then, once the tank has settled down, buy some new fish.
 
brett559 said:
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Don't view all of this as an attack, but unfortunately many of the people that have replied to your threads (myself included) have seen dozens of newbies many times over that generally follow the same path that you seem to be on :). The newbie gets a new tank, starts stocking it straight away too soon and too fast with fish that can't be sustained long term in their tank. When the newbie is advised of their mistakes they go on the defense, usually throwing out that they'll keep what they want and they'll just trade in their fish when they grow too big (big fish are a LOT harder to get rid of than most would like to believe; also big fish tend to get big fast), or that they're planning to upgrade tanks in just a few months (very rarely happens, life just likes to get in the way of big expensive upgrades).

It usually goes one of two ways, preferably they wake up and start realizing that those other folks might know what they're talking about. They get some thick skin, realize they've made some errors, build from it and soak in all the info they can. Or, some shift into denial mode and usually within months after several tank disasters get frustrated and eventually give up on the hobby :(.

With all that said, you really need to start looking for a new home for the blue tang. It may be "tiny" right now, but provided its healthy it won't stay that way long. 90g may seem big but for a fish that can get to the size of a football its not. BrianD, the guy that posted right after me used to have one in a 500 gallon tank. It made even that size of tank look small :). A 3ft 90 isn't the most ideal tank for a yellow tang either, but its not terrible either. The blue definitely needs to go though, as well should not add any more fish immediately since this tank is only about a month old according to your past posts. While it may have been setup for sometime before it would have gone though at least some sort of cycle.
 
brett559,

I applaud you for staying on this forum, a lot of people get their mistakes pointed out and just quit posting because they don't like the ridicule. If you listen to the advice given I'm sure you will have a wonderful time in this hobby, if you don't you will waste a lot of money. Just keep in mind that while some replies may seen like personal attacks they are mostly constructive criticism. That is what this forum is all about, sharing the knowledge of our hobby. Just remember that minimum tank sizes come from experience and not how we guess "the fish feels". If you have any questions that I may be able to help you with feel free to message me, sometimes solving a problem without broadcasting it to the world can be an easier pill to swallow. Best of luck to you and your tank!
 
Now that you got rid of the naso( whether it was alive or dead when you removed it) you work on getting rid of the blue, they truelly do grow giant and also wide. They are also just unhealthy fish to begin with and most of the large ones I've seen have grown ugly when they get big. If you ever run into this problem again( hopefully with a more tank size appropriate fish) try live black worms you can find them at a fishing store.
 
brett559 said:
I was able to easily remove the Naso and will find him a new home.

Everyone (excepting reeferstace - I found your comments condescending, insulting and rude...to a person who is just starting the hobby, no less!) thank you for your comments. I appreciate the proposed solutions and not ridicule for perceived mistakes.
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Well i found this comment very ignorant. How can you say that it's rude for people to be calling out on something you were warned about many times.
 
What did the Naso tang say to the other 4 tangs in a 3ft aquarium ITS A MADHOUSE I TELL YOU A MADHOUSE.
 
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