Vinegar soak too long?
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Ellery
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Yeah one of the mr saltwater tank bids mentionvinegar removes the coating that protects the magnetic impelled so don't. Soak too long. He was pitching some hydor magic clean instead.
Either way it's just like pouring cola into a toilet overnight and having a spotless bowl. And you wonder why people have cavitties.
Either way it's just like pouring cola into a toilet overnight and having a spotless bowl. And you wonder why people have cavitties.
lhemphill
New member
Thanks for the reply TMZ. I did not realize that I was weakening the affects of the vinegar by having the pump going. I figured it would help move things around. I was able to wipe down the tank and get the majority of the build up off, but not all. I am not able to soak the tank in acid in any location other than where it is (in my garage) and I wouldn't have a place to drain the tainted water to other than a storm drain. With that being said, would taking a rag soaked in vinegar get the algae build up off? Or is there something I could scrub the glass with that wont scratch it?
A rag/towel soaked in vinegar laying on the build up or awhile it for a while should help.
I've tried glass safe razor blades( plastic ones but they're not tough enough.Most anything tough enough and you risk a scratch. Once it's softer a plastic blade could do it. Don't use plastic putty knives though. They have metal embedded in them for ecxtra strength.
I've tried glass safe razor blades( plastic ones but they're not tough enough.Most anything tough enough and you risk a scratch. Once it's softer a plastic blade could do it. Don't use plastic putty knives though. They have metal embedded in them for ecxtra strength.
I had a K3 that had been soaking for a few weeks. I gave the superclean Koralia to a friend and it worked for a few minutes.
We opened up the powerhead and noticed that the material that seals in the motor was flaked off. So the motor is now shot.
I also have a K4 that soaked for week and that has a couple of loose flakes of potting material.
Is it possible that the vinegar attacked the seal material?
So,just to be safe, if you are looking to clean pumps or power heads, be sure not to soak them too long. Especially not weeks...
Waffleman
Hi,
I've had that problem with Korillias even with five to six hour soaks in 50 /50 vinegar and water.. Not with maxi jets though.
Jstn
Member
50 gal system, I dose .5 ml glacial everyday, I have seen great results compared to etoh, for cleaning its more like water plus a shot of acid. I was out of vinegar and it was late at lab so I just took the real stuff. I think for cleaning I use a very strong solution, but it of sits for 30 minutes, maybe time is a bigger factor ?
50 gal system, I dose .5 ml glacial everyday, I have seen great results compared to etoh, for cleaning its more like water plus a shot of acid. I was out of vinegar and it was late at lab so I just took the real stuff. I think for cleaning I use a very strong solution, but it of sits for 30 minutes, maybe time is a bigger factor ?
Well, ethoh as vodka works just fine for me.
How much ehanol were you dosing?
How is the galacial much better? Why do you call it the real stuff? Acetic acid in vinegar is just as real withthe same chemical formula (CH3CO2) although it's produced for food grade via natural fermentation rather than synthetic chemical processes used for galacial acetic acid which is acetic acid in a dimmer form.
I dose both vodka and vinegar and have been doing so for 3 yrs at about .45 vinegar equivalents per gallon (26ml 80 proof vodka and 64 ml vinegar daily for 600 gallons) for a high bioload system.
For perspective, .5ml by volume of dry anhydrous galacial ehanoic acid it's eqiuvalent to about 10ml of vinegar for 50 gallons or .2 ml per gallon.
For those thinking about playing with the highly concentrated anhydrous galacial acid , I'd urge you to read the material data safety sheet for it:. This is from it:
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin
contact (corrosive, permeator), of eye contact (corrosive). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on
mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may
produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath. Inflammation of the
eye is characterized by redness, watering, and itching. Skin inflammation is characterized by itching, scaling, reddening, or,
occasionally, blistering.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. TERATOGENIC
EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance may be toxic to kidneys, mucous
membranes, skin, teeth. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated or prolonged contact with spray mist may produce chronic eye irritation and severe skin irritation. Repeated or prolonged
exposure to spray mist may produce respiratory tract irritation leading to frequent attacks of bronchial infection
Well, ethoh as vodka works just fine for me.
How much ehanol were you dosing?
How is the galacial much better? Why do you call it the real stuff? Acetic acid in vinegar is just as real withthe same chemical formula (CH3CO2) although it's produced for food grade via natural fermentation rather than synthetic chemical processes used for galacial acetic acid which is acetic acid in a dimmer form.
I dose both vodka and vinegar and have been doing so for 3 yrs at about .45 vinegar equivalents per gallon (26ml 80 proof vodka and 64 ml vinegar daily for 600 gallons) for a high bioload system.
For perspective, .5ml by volume of dry anhydrous galacial ehanoic acid it's eqiuvalent to about 10ml of vinegar for 50 gallons or .2 ml per gallon.
For those thinking about playing with the highly concentrated anhydrous galacial acid , I'd urge you to read the material data safety sheet for it:. This is from it:
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin
contact (corrosive, permeator), of eye contact (corrosive). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on
mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may
produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath. Inflammation of the
eye is characterized by redness, watering, and itching. Skin inflammation is characterized by itching, scaling, reddening, or,
occasionally, blistering.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. TERATOGENIC
EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance may be toxic to kidneys, mucous
membranes, skin, teeth. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated or prolonged contact with spray mist may produce chronic eye irritation and severe skin irritation. Repeated or prolonged
exposure to spray mist may produce respiratory tract irritation leading to frequent attacks of bronchial infection
windyridge
Fish Mother
Yikes, watched a video from a company that makes skimmers that said to run your skimmer in a 2 parts water to 1 part vinegar solution for 12-24 hours, once a quarter! Now I'm really confused.
Glacial isn't a dimer, you are thinking acetic acid anhydride, not anhydrous.
Galcial acetic acid is anhydrous and is a dimer via hydrogen bond; not thinking anhydride.
"...In solid acetic acid, the molecules form pairs (dimers), being connected by hydrogen bonds.[17>>"
From this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-jones-16
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-jones-16
^ Jones, R.E.; Templeton, D.H. (1958). "The crystal structure of acetic acid". Acta Crystallogr. 11 (7): 484–87. doi:10.1107/S0365110X58001341
I call it the real stuff cause it's concentrated, yes it's the same acetic acid as wegmans vinegar.
It may have the same chemical formula as Wegaman's vinegar without water but what's in the package may not be th same depending on how a particular galacial acetic acid was made , processed and packaged and what impurities if any are present.
Note:
"Acetic acid is produced industrially both synthetically and by bacterial fermentation. About 75% of acetic acid made for use in the chemical industry is made by the carbonylation of methanol ...<sup id="cite_ref-Ullmann_8-2" class="reference">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-Ullmann-8</sup> Alternative methods account for the rest. The biological route accounts for only about 10% of world production, but it remains important for the production of vinegar, as many food purity laws stipulate that vinegar used in foods must be of biological origin"
and
"...oxidation of acetaldehyde ...remains the second-most-important manufacturing method, although it is usually uncompetitive with the carbonylation of methanol....
Side-products may also form, including butanone, ethyl acetate, formic acid, and propionic acid. These side-products are also commercially valuable, and the reaction conditions may be altered to produce more of them where needed. However, the separation of acetic acid from these by-products adds to the cost of the process.... and ...
Using modern catalysts, this reaction can have an acetic acid yield greater than 95%. The major side-products are ethyl acetate, formic acid, and formaldehyde, all of which have lower boiling points than acetic acid and are readily separated by distillation.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-NIST-25
Galcial acetic acid is anhydrous and is a dimer via hydrogen bond; not thinking anhydride.
"...In solid acetic acid, the molecules form pairs (dimers), being connected by hydrogen bonds.[17>>"
From this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-jones-16
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-jones-16
^ Jones, R.E.; Templeton, D.H. (1958). "The crystal structure of acetic acid". Acta Crystallogr. 11 (7): 484–87. doi:10.1107/S0365110X58001341
I call it the real stuff cause it's concentrated, yes it's the same acetic acid as wegmans vinegar.
It may have the same chemical formula as Wegaman's vinegar without water but what's in the package may not be th same depending on how a particular galacial acetic acid was made , processed and packaged and what impurities if any are present.
Note:
"Acetic acid is produced industrially both synthetically and by bacterial fermentation. About 75% of acetic acid made for use in the chemical industry is made by the carbonylation of methanol ...<sup id="cite_ref-Ullmann_8-2" class="reference">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-Ullmann-8</sup> Alternative methods account for the rest. The biological route accounts for only about 10% of world production, but it remains important for the production of vinegar, as many food purity laws stipulate that vinegar used in foods must be of biological origin"
and
"...oxidation of acetaldehyde ...remains the second-most-important manufacturing method, although it is usually uncompetitive with the carbonylation of methanol....
Side-products may also form, including butanone, ethyl acetate, formic acid, and propionic acid. These side-products are also commercially valuable, and the reaction conditions may be altered to produce more of them where needed. However, the separation of acetic acid from these by-products adds to the cost of the process.... and ...
Using modern catalysts, this reaction can have an acetic acid yield greater than 95%. The major side-products are ethyl acetate, formic acid, and formaldehyde, all of which have lower boiling points than acetic acid and are readily separated by distillation.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid#cite_note-NIST-25
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