Wanting a Dragonet

hehe, I go ahead and ask if anyone has kept one for more than 2 years minutes after someone posted that they kept one for 3 years :D

But I think we agree that it's the exception to have long term success keeping them in a smaller tank, not the rule. And that it takes a lot of work.
 
definitely, that 20 gallon was packed with LR as well and there weren't any fish competing for the pod food supply so that definitely played to its advantage.
 
I just bought two mandarins a couple weeks ago. They had just arrived at the lfs, and looked like two females to me, but I purchased them anyway.

Upon getting them home, they were floating next to each other in separate bags, one flared its definately male fin at the other as they could see each other.

First couple of days they stayed at opposite ends of the tank, half-heartedly making attempts at frozen enriched brine that scooted past them. They never ate any. I noticed the movement attracted them and spent the next two hours adjusting flow so that any food flowing past the ends of my live rock (It is island style allowing swim room around all sides), gently and slowly flowed along the sand around the rock walls.

I then scurried to the pet store, and purchased frozen blood worms, and frozen mysis by Hikari. Pet store is exactly a minute and a half walk...which is a good thing as I had been sipping on some beer during the agonizing move of powerheads. :)

I tried the bloodworms first....and Eureeka!! I saw both mandarins eat at least 2 pcs each! Clumsy at first, they would move in on one...tilt heads, move closer...and if the food stayed in that spot long enough...success! At first when the food caught current and moved off, they didn't chase.

Now a couple weeks later, they have become quite adept at feeding, and will actually leave the corners, and successfully snatch food from the water column along with the other fish. It is quite a sight to see, as they seem like they are floating in mid-air, and then take chase to food going by.

They eat everything I throw in the tank, bloodworms being favorite, followed by mysis, and then the enriched brine. They even go for the flake at this point, but not as heartily.

Maybe I got lucky, but I don't see how I could have been so lucky with two at once. I do know that the current carrying the food past where they usually hunted was key. It looked like live food crawling across the sand. And about their small appetites, I don't see that...they eat and eat till food is gone, along with the other fish.

Will they still be alive in a couple months, or yr? I think so. I have my lfs on hand willing to take the female back if need be, as it seems my male likes to chase her around sometimes, or I will set up one of my 20 gals for just her until new tank arrives. They are currently in 46g bowfront until my new tank gets here. (If any of you have read any of my threads before I had a 150g on layaway) I cancelled it and ordered a 180g. Lol I would have gone bigger, but that's as heavy as I want to go.

Hope this helps anyone trying to get their mandarins to eat.
 
My LFS just got in 12 green mandarins..I see male and female ones oh they are so pretty.:( too bad hubby said no because our 120 tank is not crawling with pods.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12555551#post12555551 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hawkeyes
when i said prepared foods i was referring to flake food and frozen food. sorry for any misunderstanding.

cultured live food is definitely a feasible option, assuming you have a large enough culture. with a large enough refugium, you could supply all the pods a mandarin would need. see this thread for a perfect example of this technique http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/totm/index.php

No confusion, I am also referring to prepared foods as you state, they just need to be weaned onto it. The breeding net is probably the best application I have seen.

In regards to metabolism, do we really know what their metabolism is like? I assume they constantly forage because their natural food items are very small, moving, and not in a defined area. On the other hand, in my "diner", mine will eat a considerably large amount of food as it is available. They can also leave and return. I counted my male eat 7 large mysis yesterday in one sitting.

For the future of these guys in aquaria, we are going to have to sustain them in small tanks...and I would state that if you are making a true effort to keep them (by weaning them to prepared foods and/or culturing natural foods) then small tanks make additional sense for providing adequate food densities.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12554102#post12554102 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HoopsGuru


In regards to feeding them, if you are willing to take the time, they can be relatively easy to wean over to prepared foods. Many folks at MOFIB are having a go with pairs in a captive breeding program. These pairs are kept in smaller aquariums. To wean them, place them in a breeders net and you can then have direct control over their food sources. Start with enriched live brine, move to enriched frozen brine, then frozen mysis, etc.


This is exactly what I did when i had one in my 40. I knew my 40 would be too small for one that would only eat pods. So I saw one at my LFS, they keep their mandarins in the coral tanks and they said the Mandarin they had ocassionaly ate prepared foods and it is the only one they have had close to eating prepared. So i bought him. I put him in a breeder net, I fed him live mysis which he took straight away. And after a few days of him eating the live i started mixing frozen in with the live and then i tried just frozen which he took! And eventually with time and patience i weaned him onto pellets. I tried Melevs Mandarin Diner but i had small fish in my 40 so they got the pellets before the Mandarin but I was still able to get him to eat prepared. Which shows with time an patience it CAN be done. I should have posted this earlier as this may have toned all the arguments down slightly.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12555810#post12555810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bph0013
This is just my personal experience. I kept a mandarin in a 20 gallon for three years in the late 1990s without a refugium. In all likelihood the mandarin did eat frozen but I never actually saw it doing it. When I broke down the tank it was fat and happy and I sold it back to the LFS.

More recently, I didn't add a mandarin to my 37gallon until roughly six months after it (and the 20 gallon refugium) had been established (feb. 2006). She has always thrived and is fat. It helps if you don't keep other fish who will compete with the mandarin for pods, i.e. wrasses, other dragonets, etc.

To say it is impossible to keep a mandarin in a small tank for just a few months without it starving are flat out wrong.

That being said, this is just my personal experience and I would not recommend that a new hobbiest try a mandarin in a small tank BUT like others' experience has shown it is definitely possible to keep a mandarin in a smaller system as long as you're willing to provide for its nutrition.


I'm glad other people agree. It would be prudent of all RC members to know a little more facts before posting pure opinion and misinformation.
 
I wouldn't even say "can", I would say will. I'd be shocked if any mandarin would not be weaned this way in a short time. I would say effort is the only limiting factor (not that this is labor intensive, you just have to actually do it).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12557963#post12557963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kalare
I'm glad other people agree. It would be prudent of all RC members to know a little more facts before posting pure opinion and misinformation.

PRECISELY my point earlier. A whole lot of regurgitation of misinformation. Sounds like a political band name. :bum:

Brandon
 
Nah... let it sit for another year before someone searches, finds it, and brings it up for another 4 pages or so. :D :lol:

Brandon
 
Lol, There is too much negativity on threads like this. RC is a place for help. Makes me wonder why some people are still posting.
 
Yea no kidding, I mentioned over in the DIY forum about an overflow method I'm using that's working out great for me and one user just went to town with how terrible it is and how it will only end in failure....It's still working great for me though...
 
Some people just want to prove everyone wrong and see them fail but then they succeed and the are proved wrong but still wont admit it.
 
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