Waterfall Turf Algea Filter: CHEAP and EASY to build

really? Santa monica just made that exact same post word for word over at a diffeent site within minutes of the one you did that I quoted. I guess I made a mistake jumping to conclusions

There is interesting info here in this thread for sure from people with experience, and I dont mind reading it. The interesting info just doesnt happen to come from SM.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13391323#post13391323 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by flyyyguy
really? Santa monica just made that exact same post word for word over at a diffeent site within minutes of the one you did that I quoted. I guess I made a mistake jumping to conclusions

There is interesting info here in this thread for sure from people with experience, and I dont mind reading it. The interesting info just doesnt happen to come from SM.
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That's ok, I find that a lot of people in fourms jump to conclusions and I just copied it from somewhere else and added to this thread since it was his to start with. Too bad he was run off. I also find that a lot of people are very opinionated and never open to new or improved ideas, UNLESS is comes from them or their sources. Someone is always there to brow-beat an idea or application.
 
How about making a point instead of just posting something for people to ponder.

That info has nothing to do with turf. And it does not mean the high DOC is good, or that skimmers are bad. So what is the point of posting it.

And where do you get a job posting anti algae remarks ? If people actually get paid to do so, that would be cool.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13390133#post13390133 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by UrbanSage
Running an algae filter will reduce the amount of skimmate you will collect.
You will get this result from a refugium and I am sure a turf filter.

This is because the turf removes components the skimmer will remove eventually.
You can apply the same logic in reverse.
Add a skimmer to a tank that has only been running with algae filtration, now your algae should grow less speedy.

Conclusion; they supplement each other great!
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your 'logic' has no basis in fact or reality

please list the compounds you refer to, and proofs to back up the multiple (false) statements made above

an inanimate device that only removes CANNOT and WILL NOT do the same things a bio processor will-it's impossible (and this has been backed up by both direct observation and analysis by the scientific community)

i'm amazed, with all of the great articles on skimming AND scrubbers available on the net by respected authors/scientists, that people are still saying stuff like this :confused:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13390517#post13390517 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Northside Reef
Thanks Michael, since I have not read the other posts you are referring to it was getting a little frustrating trying to decipher what you were getting at.

More skimate by adding an ATS seems odd, unless the turf algae is not staying confined to the screen, then I guess that would make sense that it would end up in the skimmer. Possibly the green tinge that Rngrdave is referring to?

Thanks for clarifying.

PS: If you could PM a link to this other discussion I would appreciate it.
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it's not 'odd' at all, and it's to be completely expected ;)

maybe the skimmer is removing the 'extra' organic wastes that the scrubber is adding into the system ? ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13392030#post13392030 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vitz
it's not 'odd' at all, and it's to be completely expected ;)

maybe the skimmer is removing the 'extra' organic wastes that the scrubber is adding into the system ? ;)
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How would an ATS add extra organic wastes?Where would they come from?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13392697#post13392697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mike O'Brien
Algal exudates.
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Got it. Thanks
 
i think alot of the folks here might gain alot from reviewing/googling photosynthesis, the krebs cycle (cellular respiration), and how they relate to PO4 production/uptake-both organic and inorganic ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13392697#post13392697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mike O'Brien
Algal exudates.
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How does that differ from exudates added to the water column from an algae filled refugium, or infact a display with macro or microaglae??
 
Nobody said it differed, but most people use Chaetomorpha for that reason because it's a more stable algae in that sense. It's multicullular, so there is less chance of leakage.

Quote from the study SM posted

Regarding coral death. " Turf algae were way the most disastrous this way, so they kill corals faster. You put a turf algae next to coral and the coral would be dead in a couple of hours".
 
different algaes have different exudates, and also common ones

but in principle-all algaes present in any locale of any system are producing organic compounds that will have to be dealt with sooner or later

a sump with various algaes growing on its walls, a refugium w/chaeto, AND A SKIMMER ( ;) ) are ALSO forms of 'algae scrubbers'

the main diff is the level and degree to which each type of 'algal setup' performs-scrubbers simply emphasize on algae as the main means of processing more than the above :)

it's all a matter of degree-but the higher the degree, the higher the levels of exudates ;)
 
So what is the difference between using a modest ATS together with a skimmer, as opposed to a macroalgae filled refugium?

Surely they both rely on constant harvesting of the algae to keep the system working efficiently.

From what I have heard from people who use ATS systems is that the bad experiences others have documented have been through lack of consistant or correct algae harvesting. Stories of the algae seeding into the display appear to be myth more than fact from what feedback I have received.

Any current method utilising poor husbandary has the potential for problems. Don't regularly clean or empty your skimmer cup and neck and performance will drop. Don't perform regular water changes and your water will yellow, and your substrate collect nutrients.

I hope more people will give ATS systems a go. Who knows, if maintaned correctly they might be shown to be a cheaper, easier and more natural way of keeping a reef system healthy.
 
Skimmers do not, can not skim nitrate or phosphate; they skim food, before they turn to nitrate and phosphate, and that is why they cause starvation on many systems nowadays. ATS may be the answer for such problems; preserving the food, freely holding in the water but removing their toxic products.
Yet we will have to discover the long term results and complications it may have.
 
I was using two skimmers, both oversized for my system. I stopped one and started ATS 9 days ago. Not much development on the screen yet, may be because Schuran jetskim250 still working, less than 0.03 PO4 and less than 5 nitrate (salifert), to start with. Parameters are the same but both SPS and LPS looking happier, more food maybe??
I think the algal development will speed up if I will stop the second skimmer too but as there is practically nothing on the screen yet I will wait.
 
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