Wavebox? Or new Streams?

[13threefmaniac]

I'm currently deciding between vortechs and tunzes for my 48" X 36" X 24" tank. I have a few questions so please do bear with me.
1)Would i get sufficient flow with just one wavebox? And is the 48" of length enough to create a good sized wave?
2)How do the waveboxes compare to the Vortechs?
3)How do the new Streams compare to the Vortechs?

 

[Jar*Head]

Re: Wavebox? Or new Streams?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13362174#post13362174 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 13threefmaniac
I'm currently deciding between vortechs and tunzes for my 48" X 36" X 24" tank. I have a few questions so please do bear with me.
1)Would i get sufficient flow with just one wavebox? And is the 48" of length enough to create a good sized wave?

If you want to depend all your flow on 1 wavebox it is not going to help. You will need additional directional flow.

2)How do the waveboxes compare to the Vortechs?

Two different things. Wavebox create wave frequency. Vortech produce directional flow.

3)How do the new Streams compare to the Vortechs?

It is pretty much personal reference. Both serve the same purpose just different in look and price.

Due to the with of your tank, you may get 3/4-1" of wave with 1 wavebox. You can do wavebox and 1 additional stream or vortech...

 

[13threefmaniac]

Re: Re: Wavebox? Or new Streams?

Re: Re: Wavebox? Or new Streams?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13363140#post13363140 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
It is pretty much personal reference. Both serve the same purpose just different in look and price.

Due to the with of your tank, you may get 3/4-1" of wave with 1 wavebox. You can do wavebox and 1 additional stream or vortech...

Thanks a lot Steve. Wow...you're the flow guru around here aren't you? Good to be getting advice from The Master. Just out of curiosity, what would you go with if you were setting up a tank of similar dimensions?

 

[Jar*Head]

Do you have sand in your tank? If so, what size?

If it is BB, i would recommend 2 6205 and 1 regular size wavebox or 2 nano wavebox 6206.

If you have sand bed, i would do 2 6105, 2 nano wavebox 6206.

Thank you for the kind word , i am not a guru. I learn most of this from Roger. I used to call him everyday asking question. I really like tunze product, i remember pretty much everything on the user manual. I try to do different thing with the stream pump and also learn from it...

 

[13threefmaniac]

The tank is not set up yet. Still in the planning process. Have been scouring the threads on RC for weeks in search of information. I do plan to have a sand bed as i don't quite like the BB look. I plan to go with a medium grain Aragonite(or maybe a mix or different grains as the LFS i used to work for tried this and let the flow 'mould' the sand into dunes and valleys)...don't know the exact grain size yet. I'm leaning towards 1 X Wavebox and 2 X 6105's. I was wondering about the controller for the streams. Can they replicate the wave action? and would it be possible to get the Streams and Wavebox functioning in sync?? How does the controller compare to the Vortech controller. Hope you don't mind me picking your brains here. I really am trying to get everything right.

 

[Jar*Head]

The multi controller alone will not be able to replicate the wave motion like the 6091 wave controller because the pulse frequency isn't as fast as the 6091. But you can connect the 6091 into your multi controller 7095 and run it on external mode. You will need to open the wave controller 6091 and change the jumper.

I have not try the Vortech controller therefore i can't make any comparison or commend on that...

 

[Jar*Head]

BTW, 1 wavebox and 2x6105 is a great start. My friend's tank is 48x24x24 and i have him run 2 6101 and 2x6205 with eheim 1262 return... Nothing will settle in the bottom of his tank lol

 

[13threefmaniac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364499#post13364499 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
The multi controller alone will not be able to replicate the wave motion like the 6091 wave controller because the pulse frequency isn't as fast as the 6091. But you can connect the 6091 into your multi controller 7095 and run it on external mode. You will need to open the wave controller 6091 and change the jumper.

I have not try the Vortech controller therefore i can't make any comparison or commend on that...

So would you recommend using the Wavebox to create the wave and the 2 X 6105's to mix the flow up a little? That leads me to another question... Would the multidirectional flow caused by the 2 X 6105's hinder the effectiveness of the wave?

 

[Jar*Head]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364565#post13364565 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 13threefmaniac
So would you recommend using the Wavebox to create the wave and the 2 X 6105's to mix the flow up a little? That leads me to another question... Would the multidirectional flow caused by the 2 X 6105's hinder the effectiveness of the wave? [/QUOTE

Yes, use the wavebox to make wave and 2 streams for directional flow. The stream will not effect the wave frequency. But if you aim your stream directly at the outlet of the wavebox, it will effect the wave...

 

[13threefmaniac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364514#post13364514 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
BTW, 1 wavebox and 2x6105 is a great start. My friend's tank is 48x24x24 and i have him run 2 6101 and 2x6205 with eheim 1262 return... Nothing will settle in the bottom of his tank lol

Same length as my future tank. Is the 6101 the wavebox? If so how large a wave is he getting? I too plan on using the Eheim as a return. The part about nothing settling at the bottom of his tank has got my attention. Thats exactly what i'm aiming for. Forgive the newbie questions as i have next to no experience with Tunzes (have run CL's the whole time with a few cheap SEIO's here and there)

 

[Jar*Head]

No problem . The 6101 is the older version of 6105 stream. The wavebox is 6212 and the nano wavebox is 6206. The largest wave i have seen in 48" tank is a little over 1.5". Due to the width of your tank, you may get between 3/4"-1". Whenever you are ready to tune your wavebox let me know... .

CL is good but too much electricity usage IMO....

 

[13threefmaniac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364733#post13364733 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364565#post13364565 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 13threefmaniac
So would you recommend using the Wavebox to create the wave and the 2 X 6105's to mix the flow up a little? That leads me to another question... Would the multidirectional flow caused by the 2 X 6105's hinder the effectiveness of the wave? [/QUOTE

Yes, use the wavebox to make wave and 2 streams for directional flow. The stream will not effect the wave frequency. But if you aim your stream directly at the outlet of the wavebox, it will effect the wave...

Lol... Well... as i mentioned earlier... forgive the newbie questions. So for starters, would the Eheim return (probably split to 2 with flow accelerators on each outlet), coupled with 1 X Wavebox and 2 X 6105's be sufficient flow for my tank. Should i get the Multicontroller with it or would a controller like the Profilux be able to control the pumps?

 

[13threefmaniac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364810#post13364810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
No problem . The 6101 is the older version of 6105 stream. The wavebox is 6212 and the nano wavebox is 6206. The largest wave i have seen in 48" tank is a little over 1.5". Due to the width of your tank, you may get between 3/4"-1". Whenever you are ready to tune your wavebox let me know... .

CL is good but too much electricity usage IMO....

Thanks a bunch. I feel like i owe you a really cold 6 pack for all the info so far. Saved a ton of time on my part.

And i share your sentiments on the CL's too... hence my switch to wavemakers. The only downside i see in the Streams is the size. Compared to the Vortechs, they look pretty big. I plan to work on some DIY "stream rocks" as the ready made ones seem a wee bit overpriced.

 

[Jar*Head]

You can use the profilux controller to control the pump but the flow patern may not be the same and all the feature that comes with the 7095 will not be available with your profilux.

Eheim return is good but i don't think you will need the penductor tho.... You definitely need the wavebox and the 2 stream.

 

[Jar*Head]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13364844#post13364844 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 13threefmaniac
Thanks a bunch. I feel like i owe you a really cold 6 pack for all the info so far. Saved a ton of time on my part.

And i share your sentiments on the CL's too... hence my switch to wavemakers. The only downside i see in the Streams is the size. Compared to the Vortechs, they look pretty big. I plan to work on some DIY "stream rocks" as the ready made ones seem a wee bit overpriced.

the 6105 is muc smaller compare to the old model.... I am not sure if you see the new pump yet. It looks like the nano stream. I don't think two stream in the back wall at each corner will make the tank look bad... I have seen worse :lol:

 

[13threefmaniac]

Well' i'll take your word for it. One less thing to worry about without the penductors. I have yet to see the new Streams in person but i have seen the nano streams and they are not that bad as you have pointed out. I guess the Streams can always be hidden with proper rock placement. Thanks again Steve. Your help has been invaluable. If i do have any more flow related questions could i PM you?

 

[Jar*Head]

You can PM, email or whatever communication method that you like .

 

[Lowredranger]

Steve,

What are your thought for waveboxs and flow for a 72x30x24 or 60x36x24.

I would be setting it up peninsula style like your large tank how would you set up the flow?

Thanks
Jason

 

[Jar*Head]

Hello Jason, for 72x30x24 peninsular style tank i would do i wavebox and 2x6205 and small return pump like eheim 1262 or Tunze master circulation 1073.040 (900+gph). Make sure you have the tank builder to cut the overflow teeth a bit lower like 1.5-2" deep because your tank is peninsular you need room to play around with the durso and the water level to avoid noise from your overflow box.

I would do the same with 60x36x24....

both streams and wavebox will be on one end which is the same end with your overflow box and leave the other end clear for viewing.

 

[Lowredranger]

Thanks for the help i haven't gotten any good info on the peninsula tanks and the wavebox.

I was either thinking of having the teeth lower so there is always flowing in but would have to maker sure i have a large enough sump to accommodate the extra water from a power outage.

I had also thought of keeping and non-durso overflow pipe and keeping it lower in the box to hope that as the wave comes and goes the boxes water level does not drop low enough to cause the noise.

How would you position the streams and box. Streams on either side or box on one side with the streams both on the opposite side or one on the opposite side and one in the middle shooting over the top. Would you put the box on one side or especially if it is the 36" W tank putting it in the middle with the streams on the outside?

I plan for a couple rock piles with open rock work.

Thanks
Jason