Wavebox? Or new Streams?

[Jar*Head]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13501635#post13501635 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mental1
Oops .. thought of one more question. I am going to have a DSB -- probably 5 inches as I want to keep some jawfish. I have southdown. Will I have a sand storm?

If that is the case, use the 6105 or 6101 because the 6205 will stir up some sand...

 

[13threefmaniac]

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Well, my tank plans got changed up a wee bit so i'm back again with more questions.

This is the basic plan for the tank. It will be viewable from 2 sides as in the pic and its dimensions are 60" X 36" X 26". The black granite trim around the tank will cover the top and bottom 2" of the tank (so the side view of the sand bed will be obstructed and also to hide the wave i hope to create).
1) Will the wave created from 1 Wavebox exceed 2"?
2)Any suggestions on a return pump? I'm trying to decide bebtween an Eheim 1262 and a Red Dragon.
3)If i go with the Eheim 1262 and the Wavebox, How many more powerheads would i need and what would you recommend?
4)Will having an external overflow along the back of the tank be detrimental towards my goal of achieving a wave with the Wavebox?I was thinking of a coast to coast overflow along the back wall.
5)What would be the ideal dimensions of an external overflow considering the fact that i plan to use a Wavebox?
6)And finally, thanks for the external wavebox box dimensions. I saw it in another thread an immediately wanted to incorporate it into my tank.

 

[13threefmaniac]

One more question about the external wavebox. Your dimensions are 5 X 5.5 X 13. That means 5" for the length. Does the 5" lenght in this case refer to the side that is attached to the tank wall or..??

 

[Jar*Head]

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13524514#post13524514 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 13threefmaniac
Well, my tank plans got changed up a wee bit so i'm back again with more questions.

This is the basic plan for the tank. It will be viewable from 2 sides as in the pic and its dimensions are 60" X 36" X 26". The black granite trim around the tank will cover the top and bottom 2" of the tank (so the side view of the sand bed will be obstructed and also to hide the wave i hope to create).
1) Will the wave created from 1 Wavebox exceed 2"?

Not with the width of your tank. You can get approx 1.5" max...

2)Any suggestions on a return pump? I'm trying to decide bebtween an Eheim 1262 and a Red Dragon.

1262 is your best bet or Tunze 1073.040 pretty much has the same flow rate at the Eheim 1262

3)If i go with the Eheim 1262 and the Wavebox, How many more powerheads would i need and what would you recommend?

It depends on what you are planning to keep. If SPS dominate and your deep sand bed, i would do 2 or 3 6105. If your sand bed is large size grain, i suggest 2x6205 and you'll be done with flow..

4)Will having an external overflow along the back of the tank be detrimental towards my goal of achieving a wave with the Wavebox?I was thinking of a coast to coast overflow along the back wall.

Which back wall are you talking about? You mean on the 36" side or the 60" side. Doesn't matter which side you place your overflow, it will not affect the wave much.

5)What would be the ideal dimensions of an external overflow considering the fact that i plan to use a Wavebox?

Wavebox and overflow has nothing to do with each other. The only overflow box that i know that will have issue with wavebox is the hang on the back. It is how you install the durso or drain pipe...

6)And finally, thanks for the external wavebox box dimensions. I saw it in another thread an immediately wanted to incorporate it into my tank.

Not a problem. IMO, if you have your tank build, mine as well have them build the external wavebox. Beside it saved some space, it also make people wonder where the wave came from

My tank is pretty much the same as yours except it a tiny bit larger. My overflow is 24x6x13 each side of the overflow i have two box of 12x6x13 which houses 2 tunze pump in each box...

 

[Jar*Head]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13524560#post13524560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 13threefmaniac
One more question about the external wavebox. Your dimensions are 5 X 5.5 X 13. That means 5" for the length. Does the 5" lenght in this case refer to the side that is attached to the tank wall or..??

It is 5" wide the width that attach to the tank x 5.5 long measurement from the wall of your tank to the back wall of the box x 13" tall. This is from the top of the box to the bottom. This is inside dimension

 

[13threefmaniac]

The overflow will be on the 60" wall. At least that is the plan for the time being. I am trying to eliminate any would be issues with the tank, which is why i am taking my own sweet time planning the whole thing out. I probably will have the tank builders incorporate 2 boxes with your aforementioned dimensions (1 for future use, in case i plan on adding another WB sometime down the road). Are your Streams also hidden from view?Any pics of your setup and external boxes? Since you've recommended it, i guess i'll be going the Eheim way. Finally got my return sorted out then. As always Steve, Thanks for the help. I am sure i will be back for more flow related advice in due time. Till then, may the tides be with you.

 

[Jar*Head]

Here is my tank. It is still dry sitting in my garage waiting for the move...

wavebox holes drilled

Inside view

Waveboxes in place

tunze 6261 in place

The other two

Result

 

[13threefmaniac]

Very clean look to the whole tank. Is it acrylic? Looks pretty thick from the pictures. I see your 4 6261's but i don't see the boxes holding your Tunze Waveboxes?

 

[Jar*Head]

It is 1" acrylic all around. The 4 6261 sit inside the external box without the actual wavebox. I remove the pump from the wavebox and place it inside the new box.

The third pictures show the overflow in the middle, and a box on each side that is the external wavebox...

 

[13threefmaniac]

Aaahhh...i get it now. You basically made your own wavebox. In my initial post i was actually referring to an external box which could be made to house the whole Tunze Wavebox. What mode are the 4 pumps on? I still am unsure as to how a wavebox actually functions hence the silly questions.

 

[Jar*Head]

The 4 wavebox controlled by the tunze wave controller 6091 with the Y adapter because the controller itself can only control 1 wavebox and 1 extension (2 wavebox). There is no mode or setting with with tunze 6091 wave controller. It is frequency...

Wavebox function:

During the ON cycle the pump will pulse and drain the water inside your wavebox and fill it back up during OFF cycle. The water will go through the output nozzle to fill up the box. There is NO other hole beside the hole that you drill on the tank to stick the 6261 pump through. BTW, that hole is 60mm

 

[Jar*Head]

No such thing as silly question. The only silly question is the one you didn't ask

 

[13threefmaniac]

AAAhhhhh.... i get it now. Do you plan to run any other powerheads in your tank besides the 2 XL waveboxes? and more importantly, would i be able to get away with just 1 return from an Eheim 1262 and 2 X external Waveboxes. I am trying to avoid having any visible in tank powerheads.

 

[Jar*Head]

For my tank beside the 4 wavebox, i am going to have 6x6305 @ 7925gph each pump. For your tank i would suggest 2x6205 if your sandbed can handle high flow if not 3x6105. The newer model will look much nicer compare to the old. The wavebox doesn't have much directional flow. it is wave frequency and no matter how big of a return pump you are going to use. You will need powerhead or CL

 

[13threefmaniac]

GASP!!!
Sweet Moses!!! 6 pumps??? Thats like 50000gph in total....
You do love your flow don't you. Even the 2 waveboxes are already pushing my budget. I am after all, still a student. I guess im going to get 1 x wavebox, 1 x vortech and 1 x 6205 with an additional external wavebox for future upgrades.

 

[Jar*Head]

IMO You should start with 1 wavebox, 1 6205 to see how everything work out then add another stream later after you add more corals. The Vortech ain't cheap either unless you already have one sitting around...

 

[13threefmaniac]

How much would a 6205 cost over there??

 

[13threefmaniac]

External Wavebox Dimensions

External Wavebox Dimensions

Have i got it right Steve?

 

[Jar*Head]

That is fine too if you have a big hand...

 

[13threefmaniac]

If i have a big hand? I don't quite follow Steve. Isn't that according to your measurements?