Weeds

All the new Allen's Damselfish are looking good so far. They're a bit timid, but they're gradually loosening up. I tempted them with food and I think everyone ate, which is good on the first day. I'm becoming convinced that nutrition is half the battle, if not more. Thank you Dawn, for your Chubby Fish Theory!

I am so excited to have more of these fish! More gorgeous than any blue devil, and a great community fish, to boot. Having more blue flashes to balance with the black and whites is going to be dazzling. I can't believe my good fortune in finding both of these fish. Everything you want in a damsel, nothing you don't.

I'll wait to see how I do with this round of QT, but I think I'm making some progress in the quarantine process. It's only taken me around thirty years, or so. I love that I'm still learning. I better shut up. I don't want to jinx it!
 
Today I'm seeing signs of Uronema in the new damsels. So I mixed up some Metroplex, Focus and frozen food, to get the meds into the fish. I'm feeding them a lot today, because I don't know how much longer they'll have the appetite to eat. It's crazy how fast uronema shows up. I hope it's not too late. They look good otherwise, and they're eating the medicated food well. I also went ahead and started them on antibiotics as well, to help heal any sores.

I'm not oblivious to the irony that I gave up on Chromis because of their uronema problem, only to encounter it again with these damsels. LUCKY ME!
 
Good luck Michael. Hopefully your QT protocol and your quick actions to treat the damsels will pay off. Are they still eating well? Each day they continue to eat well improves their chances of fighting off disease, although I have not dealt with uronema.
 
Wow, a lot has happened while I was away on vacation! Your tank is progressing nicely with the new additions, manatee grass growth, and the leaves sprouting on the mangrove roots are amazing too. Who needs a fake mangrove root when you can grow the real thing?

Those blennies were hard to spot in that pic that you pointed out to Dawn, but it was fun finding them.

I hope your new damsels fight off the uronema. Good luck!
 
Thanks Dawn.

I'm down one damsel this morning. I'm kinda bummed but I'm determined to keep going. I'm encouraged that the rest look good and continue eating the medicated food. I'm thinking about moving one from the QT that had the death in it, into the QT with only one fish in it. These fish seem to like each other's company. The tank with only one fish in it has the most timid fish, so I'm hoping that moving the other one in with him will help. I don't know whether this is the right course of action or not. It seems to me, getting the fish out of a tank where the other fish died would be a good idea. Or, by moving the survivor into the other QT, am I just infecting another tank? I was thinking about giving him a fresh water dip before transferring him.

I'm not sure what to do! For now I'm going to wait. The more I think about it, the more I think I should leave him there and keep treating the tank, and not infect another tank.
 
Thanks Kevin! I hope you had a nice vacation.

Yes, I guess things are humming along OK. It would be pretty cool if the mangroves made it. I'm not completely sure, but it looks like the other one is starting to show growth at the growth tip. I never really seriously considered them for my tank, given the full hood setup. Now I think if they make it to the surface, maybe they'll just make do and grow towards the light and self-bonsai in the space available.

I'm stoked to get more micro brittle stars. Hopefully, their population will explode. It's challenging to put so much effort into creatures you rarely see, but I'd like to find out how well an army of detrivores can perform in my tank. Letting the grasilaria on the sand bed grow unrestricted is something I'm trying out, to give the pods 'n friends more structure or refuge, to allow their populations to grow. With enough cover, they may be able to maintain a stable population, despite the damsels hunting them.

Thanks for the good luck wishes with the damsels. I feel a little like a twenty four hour nurse right now!
 
Day four of QT. I haven't lost any more damsels, since the first one. I believe my efforts are working. After such dismal luck dealing with Uronema, I'm tempted to call this a breakthrough, but let's wait and see.

In the meantime, here's what I've been doing to fight uronema:

First, I assume that all three of my quarantine tanks are infected with uronema, before the fish are even in there. Why? Because uronema does not need a fish host to survive. If you've had uronema before, your tank is still infected! So, for every new round of QT, the tanks get disinfected with bleach solution. This includes anything wet, so filters, heaters, everything gets the treatment. This starts you out with a clean slate. I wonder how many fish I infected before, just by not doing this first step!

Next, I get the QTs' salinity matched to the incoming water the fish are bagged in. This allows me to float the bags for 15 minutes or so, then release them right into the QTs, without dripping, or other acclimation techniques. This avoids the "Death in Bags" described in Sk8r's excellent thread. Again, I wonder how many fish I doomed, just by doing the previously 'recommended' acclimation technique!

Each QT got a dose of Stress Coat and API's General Cure. The active ingredients in General Cure are Metronizadole and Praziquantel. Metronizadole is the medication I found the most consensus on, as a uronema cure.

Since this parasite gets deep into the fish, internal treatment is needed as well. I used Metroplex combined with Focus and Garlic Guard mixed into frozen mysids and cyclops, for a medicated food. They seem to be eating it pretty well. So now, we're treating both the inside and outside of the fish. This seems to be important with uronema.

Since open sores are part of the symptoms, I'm also treating them with antibiotics. I have Erythromycin on-hand, so that's what I'm using. This requires two days of dosing, followed by a 25% water change, then repeat, for a total of four doses and two water changes. For replacement water I'm just using fresh water. This will get the salinity down to hypo salinity levels, which is an excellent treatment for ICH, and it eases the burden of osmoregulation for the fish, making their lives a little bit easier.

Today, I have one more dose of erythromycin to do, and a water change tomorrow. This will get me down to hypo level salinity. I'm probably going to continue with medicated food for a few more days to be safe. The suggested treatment is for five days or until symptoms disappear. Then I'll feed 'regular' food heavily, to fatten them up. Hypo salinity will continue until one week remaining in QT, then I'll start ramping salinity back up to display tank levels, for introduction.

The cost is considerable. Cost for five fish was $63. Medication was $70 (not including the Stress coat, Garlich Guard and Erythromycin, which I already had). With the one fish lost, that brings the price per fish up to $33.25 - for damsels! This is probably the main reason Uronema has gotten so bad in the industry. Curing cheap fish isn't cost effective. So the problem persists, with no end in sight.

As for me, I'll be thrilled if I can keep the remaining four happy and healthy. Having six of these beauties in my tank will make it all worth it!
 
Day 5 of Quarantine. 4 out of 5 fish remaining.

It's a little hard to tell, but the new Allen's Damsels look pretty good. They're still eating the medicated food, and they're getting used to my presence. I've been feeding them a lot. This gives me hope. It's still too early to call, but their eating is a good sign. In my previous experience with Uronema, all fish died within 2-3 days. I'll keep them on the medicated food for a few more days. Every day that passes makes me think they just might make it! If I can get them through QT, it will be a triumph. Because of the struggle, it means more and I'm more invested.

Back in the display, the other mangrove pod is definitely starting to change at the growth tip. I guess I'm going to learn about mangroves. I bet they're enjoying the dirty sand bed.

I replaced a supplemental light over the right end of the tank. It's blue. I've done this before, in v1. It adds a nice hint of blue at the shady end, and provides a good transition light for dawn and dusk. It simulates depth as well, making the right end appear deeper.

The Turtle Weed is bouncing back nicely. It looked like all of it died, but it seems to be coming right back. There's a tiny frag of Caulerpa Serrulata growing from the same rock. That's the serrated blade variety. I'll let it grow for a while and see if I like it. It will add another shade of green and texture to the tank. I've just about got all the green plants I want. Now I want them to cover the back wall.
 
Very interesting. It sounds like your plan to cure these fish is doing well. Fingers crossed here for ya. Regarding the medicated food, did you medicate the food, or buy it medicated?
 
Thanks Kevin! Day 6 and it's still working. Woo!

Definitely the most effort I've put into quarantine, ever. Something had to give. It's awful to lose fish to illness and it was happening way too much. So I went to work researching. I made some good progress with the last Tuxedo Damsels and that was encouraging. I knew that the Allen's Damsels would be a real challenge, with their propensity to contract Uronema.

Uronema is a bit like Dinoflagellates. There's not a lot of consensus on what works and what doesn't.

To answer your question, I medicated the food. Metroplex, Focus (which binds the medication to the food), and Garlic Guard (to make it all taste good, so they eat it). The food was frozen mysids and cyclops.

I was feeding almost every two hours, the first two days, because I worried they'd lose their appetites. I'm still feeding it now (less frequently), and will for another day or two, depending how long this last batch lasts.

With the last water changes, I've got the QTs down to hypo salinity, to ward off ICH, and to ease their osmoregulation burden. I'll keep a sharp eye on them in the coming weeks and try to fatten them up, before introduction. I'm really looking forward to it!
 
Good job Michael and thank you for telling us, followers what you did step by step to beat uronema. I never used to QT fish but ever since I began keeping seahorses where QT new ponies is important, I began QTing all my fish. It definitely cuts down on fish deaths. I used to say if I could get a fish past the first 2 weeks I could have that fish for years. Well QT has upped my percentage of getting them past the 1st 2 weeks.
 
Thank you Dawn!

After seeing too many fish die, I knew I would have to up my QT game. I want specific fish, that fit into a plan. In the past I could just try fish I liked, and keep what lived.

I have learned so much from this experience. That's good! I just don't want to claim victory too soon. I'll feel better at two weeks!
 
1 week into quarantine, I still have four Allen's Damsels. I'm gaining confidence!

Who da thunk quarantining damsels would be so challenging?! For some reason, these particular damsels don't ship well, so they come in very stressed and vulnerable to illness. The first day they looked fine. Day two and one was dead, and the rest had lesions on their sides. Uronema happens so fast! I was very fortunate to have caught it in time to prevent the rest from dying.

I did the research, bought the meds, made a plan, and executed it. This is a big turning point for me. I was always too slack and impatient to do a proper QT process. And I had zero success with meds. Armed with newfound knowledge, I feel like I now have a fighting chance of keeping new fish alive. It feels good!
 
QT Day eight! I still have four Allen's Damsels.

I'm back to considering moving one fish in with the other single. I think he needs to be socialized. He hides too much, in my estimation. The two in a tank together are out and about much, much more. Now that I'm more or less out of the woods with uronema, I think now may be a good time to do it.

I'm not sure I have enough good reasons to do it though. After good health, I want the fish to be happy and well adapted, so it can take its place in the community. Moving it to the tank in my home office will give me a better view of him, plus I'm in there more, so I can keep tabs on him better. I believe he'll come out his shell, with a buddy to interact with.

Potential downsides? Increased stress. Reinfection. Fighting. Death.

I'm going to think about it more. If I do move him, I'll report the results.
 
Dusk on the Seagrass Sandbar/Patch Reef

picture.php


Here's a shot of the new, blue supplemental light, after the main, metal halide light turns off. I love the gradation of light across the tank. It's fun to go from the warm colors of the metal halide to the cool blue dusk tones. After that, it's the LED moonlight. Having multiple light settings really adds to the fun!
 
Thanks Dawn! It is soothing.

The bulb itself is nothing fancy. It's a 23 watt, 100 watt equivalent, compact fluorescent flood light, with a blue lens. I like it better than the daylight bulb it replaced, which was too bright for a proper transition to dark. Plus who doesn't like blue.

Day 9 on the Allen's Damsels' quarantine. Four damsels still remain.

I still haven't moved the singles together. I guess there's really no rush. Maybe I'll give it another week. I hesitate to do it, when I consider the risk. I keep asking myself, "am I more confident the fish will continue to live in the tank it's in, or moved into another tank?" My answer is that I'm more confident keeping him where he is. Stress of capture, fighting, competition for food, disease transmittal, all pop into my head. I'd really be kicking myself if I moved him and he died!

I do think it'll happen at some point. We'll see.
 
I redirected a few fern caulerpas towards the back wall. Removed any feather caulerpa I found. Exported only a little of the brown grasilaria. I cleaned the glass.

Other than that, I'm letting Nature do its thing. The brown grasilaria on the sand bed does appear to be providing habitat for pods 'n friends. This could be very good! A sustainable pod population in tank full of pod-eaters would be amazing.

I still hope to get the back wall enveloped in green. The fern caulerpa is climbing. A few others are trying to establish. A little time will help.

Speaking of time, it's QT DAY 10 for four Allen's Damsels. Woo!

They're looking good! The only treatment they're getting now is hypo salinity. They're off medicated food, and enjoying mysids, cyclops and flake food. I'm so stoked to have gotten them this far. I think they're gonna make it. This experience gives me so much confidence going forward.

I really look forward to getting them into the display. Six of these living jewels zipping around is going to be cool! Quarantine is such delicious anticipation! These fish have already become important to me, because of the struggle we shared. The financial cost loses importance.

After observing the three tuxedo damsels for a while now, I think I may add two more. Given the space they have and their personalities, five should be just about right. They're pretty mellow. I love how they look too. I'll wait and see how the new Allen's do with everyone first though. I want the fish to be happy with their numbers, so they can interact naturally, without undue stress. I have truly enjoyed studying these beautiful creatures!
 
Today I moved a couple of manatee grass plants. They had grown too close to the walls, so I moved them towards the middle, where they're needed. If these transplanting go well, I may move more.

I rotated the rock with the turtle weed on it, to see if I can get it to grow onto the back wall. This is the plant I want the most on the walls, but so far it hasn't happened. I'm not sure how to manipulate it without damaging it. I think I just need to give it everything it wants, so it grows and spreads.

Got some new pics posted last night. I tried to get some good ones of the fish, but they're challenging. It's hard to capture their beauty.
 
Back
Top