weird fish death

teddy13

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Ok about a month and a half ago I bought a copperband from Dave that was doing fine. I then got a second one..

I kne they were jockeying for dominance but it did not seem aggressive or brutal yet one died.. I thought nothing of it until about 2 wks later the second was dead..

the weird part

both were found with noses into rock (maybe same one not sure), faces black and bodies into an indention in said rock.

any ideas? Dave was clueless too
 
ALL sources seem to agree that your water quality must be PERFECT to keep copper bands. It appears that they like a bigger tank. I don't know what the minimum size is but it's worth looking into.

Reports are that CCBs starve really fast. If they aren't getting enough or proper food type, they can die very suddenly. Most posts say their CCB lived for weeks or even months but I didn't find any that said they've owned one for years. That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It does suggest that they are very sensitive fish.

Here's some opinions from other sources since I was curious. I googled copper band butterfly death and found these:

from saltwaterfish.com ( underline mine )

The Copperband Butterfly is one of the few Butterflies that is commonly distributed for the home aquarium. These exquisite fish are silvery-white in color with orange vertical bands, as well as a "false eye" at the rear of their dorsal. The Copperband has an elongated mouth which it uses to pick at coral heads, including nuisance Aiptasia. These fish will accept many fish foods, but require excellent water quality. The Copperband is very docile and gets along well with other community fish. These fish will also eat nuisance glass anemones (Aiptasia). It is best to only keep one per tank.The family of Butterflyfish get their name from their behavior of fluttering around the reef. These fish typically have rather round and thin bodies. They are very colorful and some have extended snouts which they use to reach worms entrenched in the reef.Photo by Saltwaterfish.com member, mx#28


From thereeftank.com

Copperbands ARE a cyanide-targeted species. Not all copperbands are caught that way, there are net-caught available. Depends who your LFS buys them from.

8 days in the LFS, plus a week in transit from the collector to exporter to importer to LFS is realistic for a juiced fish to live. Some live hours, some days, some a few weeks. Some can live for years if the concentration wasn't that great, and the fish tolerated it well.

It's hard to track where the fish came from, and if it might have been squirted -- There are a lot of lies in this industry.

If your LFS is picky - they can find themselves net-caught specimens. Not knowing the store and not knowing who they are buying from, I'm not going to leap to a conclusion regarding this particular specimen (and I don't want to know what store...not trying to cause conflict), it's entirely possible that this one just failed to thrive - that happens occasionally even with net caught (but a LOT less frequently).

Make sure the fish is eating in the LFS and feed it whatever the store was to get it to keep feeding, and know your store, and trust them. If you can't be sure about the capture methods, I suggest you avoid the species that are usually targeted. That's the only real way to assure clean fish.
 
I agree with the above post they must have food all the time I've had 4 and everyone dies I had no idea then I started reading and found that most die due to water quality and not enough food
 
We all know it's not our lfs. Ours is great love shopping the owners are one of a kind wouldn't go to another even if another opened and was cheaper. Great service with a vast amount of knowledge
 
We all know it's not our lfs. Ours is great love shopping the owners are one of a kind wouldn't go to another even if another opened and was cheaper. Great service with a vast amount of knowledge

I agree. Lfs owners could never tell if a fish is net caught, tubed, or cyanide. The are a pretty difficult fish to maintain and are very demanding of great water quality and food supply.
 
I agree on all fronts. Beautiful fish, but probably best left on the reefs due to their difficulty in keeping alive.
 
that was interesting read. ty for finding it.. and yup they are off my list from now on no matter how pretty they are.. i know they were far from starved so it was either my water which does flucuate or the cyanide deal or the like... and nope no way i'd ever change LFS :) to much fun, esp giving one a hard time by siding with the other
 
interesting reading this forum, I didnt think copperbands were all that difficult. I have had one for a bit longer than a year that was purchased at a LFS when i lived in california. He ate well, would even eat mysis from my hand. He kept all my aptasia in check, the only thing he ate that I wasnt pleased with was my coco worm. I had this guy for a little over a year to a year and half, sold him when i moved from cali and dont know how he fared after getting to his new home. I have wanted another one ever since but after hearing all the horror stories have decided that i was probably one of the lucky few and would probably not get so lucky again. If anyone is interested he was about 4 inches, kept in a 75 gallon tank, mixed reef mainly lps and sps. water quality was always good, other than my coco worm and aiptasia the only thing he would eat was mysis(he pigged out on them) and occasionally he would pick at raw clams.
 
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