What do you use for Mg supplements?

I read this this morning and decided to check my Mag. I'm at 1200 and have 180 gallons of water. I went to the reef calculator and it calculated that I need to add 1344 grams of Epsom salt or 47.5 oz to bring it to 1400. In a round about way, I figured that is 6 cups of Epsom Salt, is that correct?

Oh yeah, I use Epsom salt. . . but not often!
 
Ed, I have all the Mag Pellets you will need for a couple years. Just add Epsom salts as per RHF. If you want it (more than half of a 5gallon bucket), it's yours.
 
Ed, you are much better off going 1/3 Epsom, 2/3 Mag (I think that was the ratio). Don't go 100% Epsom. Forget Randy's reason but I do remember it was a good one.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10299265#post10299265 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ostrow
Ed, you are much better off going 1/3 Epsom, 2/3 Mag (I think that was the ratio). Don't go 100% Epsom. Forget Randy's reason but I do remember it was a good one.

Is that somewhere in the article Randy wrote? I don't remember reading that, looks like I'll have to go back and re-read them.
 
Recipe #1, Part 3: The Magnesium Portion

The magnesium portion gives us two options, with Part 3A being preferred from an aquarium chemistry standpoint. Pick one and follow the same dosing directions regardless of which version you select.

Recipe #1, Part 3A

Dissolve Epsom salts (3 cups) and magnesium chloride hexahydrate sold by the Dead Sea Works company (5 cups) in enough purified freshwater to make 1 gallon total volume. There will likely be a precipitate that forms even if you fully dissolve both ingredients separately. That precipitate is calcium sulfate (calcium as an impurity in the magnesium chloride and sulfate from the Epsom salts). It is fine and appropriate to dose the precipitate along with the remainder of the fluid by shaking it up before dosing.

This solution is added much less frequently than the other two parts. Each time you finish adding a gallon of both parts of Recipe #1, add 610 mL (2 ½ cups) of this stock solution. You can add it all at once or over time as you choose, depending on the aquarium's size and set up. Add it to a high flow area, preferably a sump. In a very small aquarium, or one without a sump, I suggest adding it slowly.

The first time it's added, I recommend adding just a small portion and making sure there isn't any problem (such as corals closing up due to stress) before adding the remainder. Make sure corals and other organisms don't get blasted with locally high concentrations of the main ingredients or impurities, or else they may become stressed. This solution contains about 47,000 ppm magnesium, 70,000 ppm sulfate and 86,000 ppm chloride.

Recipe #1, Part 3B

Dissolve a 64-ounce container of Epsom salts (about 8 cups) in enough purified freshwater to make 1 gallon total volume. This solution is added much less frequently than the other two parts. Each time you finish adding a gallon of both parts of Recipe #1, add 610 mL (2 ½ cups) of this stock solution. It can be added all at once or over time as you choose, depending on the aquarium's size and set up. Add it to a high flow area, preferably a sump. In a very small aquarium, or one without a sump, I suggest adding it slowly.

The first time it's added, I recommend adding just a small portion and making sure there isn't any problem (such as corals closing up due to stress) before adding the remainder. Make sure corals and other organisms don't get blasted with locally high concentrations of the main ingredients or impurities, or else they may become stressed. This solution contains about 47,000 ppm magnesium and 187,000 ppm sulfate.

From: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/index.php

And
The goal of any do-it-yourself (DIY) recipe should be to allow safe and inexpensive supplementation without negatively impacting the seawater's chemistry. Aquarists can select either of two main materials to make such supplements, and three recipes are appropriate to make from these materials.

1. Epsom salts (USP grade magnesium sulfate heptahydrate) is readily available in drug stores and is fairly inexpensive. The problem is that if this were used to raise magnesium by a large amount (or a small amount several times) the aquarium water would become enriched in sulfate. This enrichment may not be a problem for some aquaria, especially those using salt mixes already deficient in sulfate, or those that employ frequent water changes. Nevertheless, Epsom salts alone is not an ideal magnesium supplement.

Table 4 shows the effect on an aquarium's sulfate level over time of using only Epsom salts to supplement magnesium, and when no water changes are employed. Clearly, the sulfate rises quite substantially over time. Figures 1-6 show the effect graphically with different water change amounts including 0%, 10%, 20% and 30% monthly, and 1% daily. In these cases, sulfate rises, but water changes can help mitigate the rise. If at least 30% is changed monthly, or 1% daily, using Epsom salts alone as a magnesium supplement may be acceptable; otherwise the sulfate buildup is likely too large to be optimal.
Table 4. Sulfate Rise Over the Course of a Year When Using Magnesium Sulfate to Supplement All Magnesium.
(Results are corrected for salinity changes.)
Daily Alkalinity (meq/L)

Daily Calcium (ppm)

Starting Sulfate (ppm)

Final Sulfate (ppm)

Sulfate Rise (%)
0.5

10

2710

3034

12%
1

20

2710

3353

24%
1.5

30

2710

3668

35%

[Note that these sulfate rise values are lower, for a given calcium and alkalinity dosage rate, in this model than I have shown previously for my DIY two-part additive recipe. The reason for this difference is that in that case, additional magnesium sulfate is required to offset the rise in sodium and chloride that comes along with the calcium chloride and baking soda. Such differences are unimportant for typical aquarists to understand, but this explanation is provided for those who noted and were confused by the difference.]
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Figure 1. The rise in sulfate over time in an aquarium with a daily dosage rate of 10 ppm calcium and 0.5 meq/L (1.4 dKH) alkalinity. This dosage rate is typical of an average mixed reef aquarium. Magnesium is assumed to be supplied by using Epsom salts alone. The various curves reflect different water changes scenarios, including none (black), 5% monthly (green), 10% monthly (yellow), 20% monthly (blue), 30% monthly (pink) and 1% daily (red).

Figure2.jpg
Figure 2. An expanded version of Figure 1, shown to provide a more accurate assessment of the relative rise of sulfate over the background concentration (2,710 ppm). The rise in sulfate over time in an aquarium with a daily dosage rate of 10 ppm calcium and 0.5 meq/L (1.4 dKH) alkalinity. Magnesium is assumed to be supplied by using Epsom salts alone. The various curves reflect different water changes scenarios, including none (black), 5% monthly (green), 10% monthly (yellow), 20% monthly (blue), 30% monthly (pink) and 1% daily (red).

Figure3.jpg
Figure 3. The rise in sulfate over time in an aquarium with a daily dosage rate of 20 ppm calcium and 1.0 meq/L (2.8 dKH) alkalinity. This dosage rate is typical of a reef aquarium with a medium to high calcification rate. Magnesium is assumed to be supplied by using Epsom salts alone. The various curves reflect different water changes scenarios, including none (black), 5% monthly (green), 10% monthly (yellow), 20% monthly (blue), 30% monthly (pink) and 1% daily (red).

Figure4.jpg
Figure 4. An expanded version of Figure 1, shown to provide a more accurate assessment of the relative rise of sulfate over the background concentration (2,710 ppm). The rise in sulfate over time in an aquarium with a daily dosage rate of 20 ppm calcium and 1.0 meq/L (2.8 dKH) alkalinity. Magnesium is assumed to be supplied by using Epsom salts alone. The various curves reflect different water changes scenarios, including none (black), 5% monthly (green), 10% monthly (yellow), 20% monthly (blue), 30% monthly (pink) and 1% daily (red).

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Figure 5. The rise in sulfate over time in an aquarium with a daily dosage rate of 30 ppm calcium and 1.5 meq/L (4.2 dKH) alkalinity. This dosage rate is typical of an small polyped stony coral-dominated aquarium with a high calcification rate. Magnesium is assumed to be supplied by using Epsom salts alone. The various curves reflect different water changes scenarios, including none (black), 5% monthly (green), 10% monthly (yellow), 20% monthly (blue), 30% monthly (pink) and 1% daily (red).

Figure6.jpg
Figure 6. An expanded version of Figure 1, shown to provide a more accurate assessment of the relative rise of sulfate over the background concentration (2,710 ppm). The rise in sulfate over time in an aquarium with a daily dosage rate of 30 ppm calcium and 1.5 meq/L (4.2 dKH) alkalinity. Magnesium is assumed to be supplied by using Epsom salts alone. The various curves reflect different water changes scenarios, including none (black), 5% monthly (green), 10% monthly (yellow), 20% monthly (blue), 30% monthly (pink) and 1% daily (red).

It's also possible to determine the effect on sulfate from one-time boosts to magnesium using Epsom salts. Epsom salts actually contain about four times as much sulfate as magnesium, so boosting magnesium gives an even larger boost to sulfate. Table 5 shows the effect on sulfate of several different increases in the magnesium level. From that table, it is clear that boosting magnesium by 100 ppm or more using Epsom salts has a substantial effect on the sulfate level. I therefore do not recommend using this method to boost magnesium by more than about 50-100 ppm. Every subsequent addition will compound the effect, although water changes will serve to reduce it over time.
Table 5. Sulfate Increase from a Single Magnesium Boost Using Magnesium Sulfate.
(Results are not corrected for salinity changes.)
Magnesium Boost (ppm)

Starting Sulfate (ppm)

Final Sulfate (ppm)

Sulfate Rise (%)
50

2710

2908

7%
100

2710

3105

15%
200

2710

3500

29%
300

2710

3895

44%

2. A second DIY material is magnesium chloride. Some grades of magnesium chloride traditionally have been contaminated in ways that would preclude their use in aquarium applications. They sometimes contain ammonia, for example. So any random magnesium chloride brand that's selected may not be acceptable. However, magnesium chloride hexahydrate from the Dead Sea Works seems to be adequately pure for this purpose. It is sold as a deicer (MAG flake from hardware stores, for example) or as a dust control agent for equestrian arenas.

Editors note (3/10/07): Note, the manufacturer of MAG flake has alerted us that they very strongly recommend against using this product in reef aquaria. While many reef aquarists have successfully used the product, the manufacturer does not claim to be able to provide this product at suitable quality in the future.

From: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-07/rhf/index.php

Happy reading.
 
Thanks ostrow. I think he changed or upgraded his supplement recipe since the last time I read it, 2 years plus ago. I guess it's good that I hardly ever supplement Mag.
 
If sulfate is a concern, why use Epson salts at all? Magnesium chloride hexahydrate from the Dead Sea Works seems to be all we need?
 
epsom salt is cheap and easy to get. sulfate is a concern. elevated levels can be toxic and certain bacterias can use it as fuel...

pat be careful, thats a whole lot of epsom salt :eek2:
 
There was a reason for that too. Not cost. I think it's the elevated chloride in the Mag. Read though, he explains.
 
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